Posted by Bob Read on September 20, 1998 at 15:04:47 in pm3-1-097.apci.net:
In Reply to: Re: Forecastle Steam Valves posted by Scott Andrews on September 20, 1998 at 14:13:55:
Scott:
I think you may be right in your analysis of th p. 39 photo of Marriott. There may only be four wheels. If this is the case, what has thrown me off in my observations and analysis is that in the Marriott photo the brake wheel near the gear box is at roughly the same height as the sides of the hatch (excluding cover). However, in the Marschall paintings of the wreck there appear to be small wheels attached to the gear boxes that are only half the height of the hatch. There is a difference in the height of these wheels. What's
the explanation. I'm not married to the idea of two extra pedestal mounted wheels but I can't explain the different heights.
Regards,
Bob Read
: Bob,
: I just read your original post again and I have
: looked at the photos you mentioned as well.
: Could we be looking at the same six wheels
: and interpreting what we see differently? Your
: description in the original post of these hand wheels was as follows:
: The four valves that are easily seen in the photo are in a straight line from port to starboard. The two that I saw in the movie and which I can now identify in this photo are located just outboard of the steam pipes which lead from the capstans aft to the forward hatch. These two valves are not in line with the others but are slightly aft of them.
: I believe the "steam pipes" you refer to are not
: pipes but are the shafts going aft from the wind-
: lasses to the gearboxes just in front of No. 1
: hatch. One of the shafts and the front of the
: gearbox it connects to are visible in the photo
: on pg. 39 of Marriott's book. Looking between
: the anchor crane and the starboard anchor
: windlass head, you can see the two inner pede-
: stal handwheels (one just visible between the
: double stays, the other at the starboard corner
: of the open access hatch cover). Just between
: the stbd inboard handwheel and the windlass
: head can be seen the front face of the gearbox
: and the shaft coming out of it, heading forward
: to the baseplate of the windlass. The hand-
: wheel of this gear box, which is offset to the
: outboard side of the shaft , can be seen just
: peeking out from behind the inboard edge of
: the stbd windlass head at roughly the same
: height as the handwheels on th pedestals. The
: gearboxes are located nearly agaist the sloping
: forward end of the No. 1 hatch, putting their
: location just aft of the four pedestal mounted
: handwheels which are in a row. The wheel atop
: the gear boxes appears to be of the same type
: as those at the forward outboard ends of the
: chain rails, having sockets to take bars for
: increased leverage in tightening. The two outer
: pedestal-type handwheels are completly hidden
: by the windlasses in the pg 39 photo.
: When I look at that Olympic photo, I too, see
: six handwheels. I think the two "extras" are the
: ones which are on top of the gearboxes in front
: of No. 1 hatch, but I may be missing something
: you see in the photos you have. I do agree that
: there are six handwheels in that area but I can
: only see four on pedestals and two on boxes.
: The two on the gearboxes are still visible on the
: wreck photos but the pedestals all seem to be
: missing. I haven't gotten the movie on tape yet
: but once I do I intend to look at some of that
: footage frame by frame, particularly Cameron's
: wreck footage. By the way, take a look at the
: "fly-over" scene. If the stills in Cinefex are right,
: in the scene of Smith (w/teacup) and Murdoch
: looking out over the fo'c'sl (pg.93), the orienta-
: tion is correct, but in the following "fly-over",
: (pgs. 94-95) there's a major gaff: the whole ship
: is flopped!! If so, this is a MAJOR snafu!
: Regards,
: Scott