#42654, "RE: 2012 Special edition Titanic" In response to Reply # 1
>oh, how many are participating in the model-building contest?
No one entered. Not one person.
Minicraft also advises me that there will not, unfortunately, be any changes to the kit for the centennial edition, other than theme packaging and changing out the thread color to grey from black. Sales in the entire model building industry are way, way down. As discussed previously, mainstream America is simply not building models anymore as a hobby. Ipods, Twitter, Facebook, video games and other forms of entertainment (don't anyone dare to call them hobbies) are what people are doing now.
Sad, isn't it.
Art Braunschweiger TRMA Trustee
P.S. - do remember that the Minicraft kit underwent a tremendous "fix" a few years ago when they made the investment to clean all the original molds. The cast parts are superb and the kit is still, in my opinion, the best on the market.
#42655, "RE: 2012 Special edition Titanic" In response to Reply # 3
No one entered?? Damn I should have, I would have won!! Haha. Gosh guys most of you have the best moddleing skills I've ever seen! Far beyond my own! I thought many would enter!? I guess we have really let ourselves down with this as we are the first to complain about wanting new kits etc, yet we don't even support minicrafts titanic comp? And if we dont even show interest then who else in the world would.. Hence no ground breaking new kits.
#42660, "RE: 2012 Special edition Titanic" In response to Reply # 4
As Art said, model building and manufacturing is on a steep decline. Sad, I know, but todays technology is progressing and pushing such industries out of the picture. it doesn't really matter if a lot of kits had been entered into the competition. Those finished kits were for possible use on the box art and not towards funding for improvements. Minicraft had said from day one that funds would have to be seriously considered, but they also wanted imput. It is then down to them if they wish to listen to us. They did listen, but they also said they hadn't the budget. Again, a shame I know. A missed oppourtunity. But we have to be realistic. If the money isn't there, if the market isn't there, then why would a manufacturer spends tens-of-thousands of dollars on improving an old kit to make a loss.
#42661, "RE: 2012 Special edition Titanic" In response to Reply # 5
There is a bright side though. By special agreement Morten Jensen will be building a basic kit (no P/E brass railings) to be photographed for the next box cover. I don't know what the overall box design is so it won't necessarily be on the front; perhaps the sides. Those who are familiar with the current box photos know that there are numerous errors with the colors, which is one of the reasons the box photos need to be updated. Morten's model will be superb, of course, and it will be nice to FINALLY see a manufacturer feature photos of their model with the White Star Buff in the the correct color range!
#42665, "RE: 2012 Special edition Titanic" In response to Reply # 6
I'm shocked that nobody entered the contest. Truly a shame, though understandable because I'm sure all of us lead busy lives that don't necessarily center around model building or Titanic.
I am concerned, though, about the model industry as a whole. Should we be worried that one day (sooner rather than later) the kits we have available to us now will no longer be offered due to the decline in the industry?
It's truly a shame that so many people have moved on to Twitter, video games, Facebook, texting, etc (and I fully agree, these are NOT hobbies; more like obsessions). Whatever happened to the imagination and patience in creating something truly beautiful?
#42667, "RE: 2012 Special edition Titanic" In response to Reply # 8
Well, of course, I am not shocked or surprise that nobody will take it to winner for model to be on the Special edition Titanic 1/350 scales. I don't care who are special modeler or Better as ever who will take it.... I cant stand to put all those come out from box without any add the brass kits or ever brass railing. But, I am not happy about it that will not add with Tom's modelworks that come within 1/350 box. (brass railing) I knew, I always push to make more super details and repairs a lot thing over the model... like I did with 1/350 Britannic wreck. It kind of waste for me to build a low details.... that why I pass it.
#42669, "RE: 2012 Special edition Titanic" In response to Reply # 8 Fri Jun-24-11 04:26 AMby Art Braunschweiger
Considering the price through the model contest was 25% off, had no sales tax and included free shipping, how much would you have saved buying it from some internet source? Five dollars, maybe? And with no guarantee whatsoever that you wouldn't be getting an older kit that had been sitting on the shelf for ten years instead of a kit guaranteed to have been made from the latest production run.
#42670, "RE: 2012 Special edition Titanic" In response to Reply # 9
Some very good points raised by both Chris and William.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not knocking Minicraft, but Minicraft had hoped for boosted sales of the kit by releasing this competition. Realistically they wanted a seasoned model builder to pay top dollar for a kit, it's shipping, building it to 'out-of-the-box' standards, photograph it and submit it for possible use. The problem with that is what does a seasoned model builder do with a standard built kit. Selling is an option, but it's the shipping of such a fragile item. So most stay away from buying such things. Waste of money too if you have to strip the model down for spares right after building it.
It would have been more easy for them to find a model builder from day one. Give them a free kit. Colours charts and left them to build it. One of these kits, done properly, takes a lot of hours (not to mention money for materials). As much as it is nice to have it featured on a box, still doesn't really make up for the time spent on building one out of your own pocket.
Plus, about 90% of us model makers on here would buy a Titanic kit to modify and add PE sets.
#42679, "RE: 2012 Special edition Titanic" In response to Reply # 12 Fri Jun-24-11 09:07 PMby Art Braunschweiger
>Well I purchased 2 minicraft delux models still in the >plastic for only $85 off of Ebay.
. . . and you could have the same kit, guaranteed to be from the newest production run, for only $5.00 more from Minicraft, with free shipping. With the shipping you paid, I'll be you paid more than that from your kit of unknown vintage off Ebay. Even if the $85. you quoted included shipping, you saved only $5.00 at the risk of getting an older kit with the poorly cast parts.
#42683, "RE: 2012 Special edition Titanic" In response to Reply # 13
I think Christoff meant that he got BOTH kits for $85.00. Not 2 Kits at $85.oo each.
There is a store here near New Orleans, called Hobby Lobby. Each month they run an internet coupon for 40% off any one item. Sometimes 50% off! For in store purchases.
You can also use it for on-line purchases. Although, they only carry the 1/600 kit on-line. they usually carry the 1/350 and 1/400 in stores. They also carry good quality airbrushes, paints, glues, etc.
#42684, "RE: 2012 Special edition Titanic" In response to Reply # 14
if i only had the money and time last year, i would have joined the contest. it's just that it's hard to convince parents who are too ignorant of your interests. and those who think that having a Titanic model brings bad luck just because it sank on its maiden voyage.
#42709, "RE: 2012 Special edition Titanic" In response to Reply # 5 Wed Jun-29-11 12:11 AMby Kevin R
>As Art said, model building and manufacturing is on a steep >decline. Sad, I know, but todays technology is progressing and >pushing such industries out of the picture.
***That's true to a point about the decline but the market is still there and somebodies looking to seeing dollar signs on the 100th anniversary.
it doesn't really >matter if a lot of kits had been entered into the competition.
*** yeah but at only 25% off minicraft would still be making a profit on each one,I mean how much do you think it really cost to make each kit,25% off? plus the builder would have incured the cost of paints,glues etc,no wonder no one entered it.
>Those finished kits were for possible use on the box art and >not towards funding for improvements. Minicraft had >said from day one that funds would have to be seriously >considered, but they also wanted imput.
***yes of course funding would be seriously considered but they wanted free input(that's called free R & D).
It is then down to >them if they wish to listen to us. They did listen, but they >also said they hadn't the budget. Again, a shame I know. A >missed oppourtunity. But we have to be realistic. If the money >isn't there, if the market isn't there, then why would a >manufacturer spends tens-of-thousands of dollars on improving >an old kit to make a loss.
***yeah sure it's missed opportunity but they got free R & D unless someone in the TRMA got paid for services redered as a middle man and come the 100th anniversary Minicrafts gonna try to cash in,now the reason I brought it up is back in the 70's there was this guy steve who built models who'd buy kits from a hobby store and the owner of the store Rick caught wind that a model company was looking for a modeler to build a model of one of their kits to use on their model box cover to upgrade the look of the model box and Rick buttered up the Steve saying hey I may be able to help you get you name out there with with a model company that's looking for a well built model to be photographed and used on a new version of the box cover of a kit they sell and so the modeler built the model and it was used on the box and no where did Steve get any credit and unbeknownst to Steve Rick had made a secret deal on the side with the model company claiming to represent Steve and recieved a nice check for services revendered while Steve got zilch,later on Steve found out of this deal on the side,not saying that is happening here but Morten should look into it for what really is in it for him. Granted the market may not be totally there right now but if that were to be the case then why is Minicraft interested in our input or having Morten do a model for their box cover-obviously they are doing this because the 100th anniversary is coming up to make sales. Now when you go into a hobby shop and looking at a model kits box on the shelf,you are gonna decide in the first 30 seconds second if you want to look further at the model kit to possibly purchase it and it's the packaging that sells as in how the model looks on the box cover,what's in it for Morten besides having his model pictured on the box? Is he he gonna be credited in the box or in the kit or is the TRMA gonna get paid or credited for Morten's work? I think Morten should look at everything,is the TRMA or Art getting a check for their technical information like the 'correct colors' they are providing for Minicraft meaning for services rendered? Of course Minicraft is redoing the box cover in hopes of making sales come the 100th anniversary not because the market may not be there at the moment. Again somebody's thinking about seeing dollar signs on the 100th anniversary and hopefully Morten gets something out of the deal even a nice check. Regards,Kevin
After trying several times I finally got me through your post. Would you mind breaking it up the next time?
What I got for the job is between me and Minicraft, but all I can say is that nothing is free. Now that the model is done and photos sendt I must say I am glad I did the job. I am also glad the job is over, but I am looking forward to see the kit and be able to say "I did that".
#42758, "Several points" In response to Reply # 20 Tue Jul-05-11 06:23 AMby Art Braunschweiger
After considerating this issue I have decided to respond to several comments made in a previous post. There are some inaccurate assumptions and suggestions that I feel should be addressed.
Minicraft is understandably desirous of cashing in on the 100th Anniversary. And why not? They're in the business of selling ship models, and a potential sales point is coming up. Whether the market is there is largely a matter of speculation, though. No one at TRMA or Minicraft can say with any certainty whether this Ipod generation or their parents are going to rush out and buy Titanic ship model kits when 2012 rolls around. The market for sales of Titanica is assured, but the market for plastic model kits is not.
It's also worth noting that the majority of Minicraft's Titanic kits are not sold to people like us. They're sold to people outside of TRMA who either buy it from an internet or walk-in hobby shop. Those same people would be largely ignorant of whether a particular roof configuration or anchor well is historically inaccurate. That's not to say that Minicraft doesn't care; the point is that any investment in expensive fixes will not affect those off-the-shelf sales. Minicraft would invest money in upgrading the kit if they could be assured of a high volume of sales, but the kit sales would fund the fixes - not the other way around.
As to the contest, the primary reason Minicraft initiated it was publicize the cleanup to the molds that they did two years ago. Through an oversight on their part word on this never got out at the time. The secondary reason was in the hopes that they might get a good enough build to feature it on the cover, thereby replacing the current photos which have several glaring paint color errors.
The primary reason this contest failed was because all of us were waiting to see what improvements would be made to the centennial kit, and understandably had little interest in purchasing the existing kit - contest or no contest. I advised them that getting a lot of entries would be chancy, but they wanted to take that chance and go ahead anyway as they really didn't have anything to lose. Would they have gotten a good deal in getting a "free" build to feature on their box? Yes, but first prize was $250 in addition to an autographed copy of TTSM, so that would have more than paid for the kit and any paints, on top of the prestige of having one's kit featured on the cover. Who would have gotten the better deal in the process - Minicraft or the modeler - is a matter of personal opinion.
As to suggestions that Minicraft was looking for free Research and Development or any other input, that suggestion is groundless. Before this contest was even conceived, TRMA had already submitted to Minicraft a complete list of every correction that would be required to bring their kit up to full historical accuracy. The contest would have provided no "input" of any kind. The kit instructions were also revised last year by me with Bruce's assistance, so any input on the assembly or the instructions was not a consideration either.
When we provided the list of fixes to Minicraft, we neither asked nor expected any fee, nor should we have. Ensuring that the Minicraft kit remains as accurate as possible within the economic constraints of the industry benefits all of us, not just Minicraft. Besides, that is what we do at TRMA. We offer consultation to anyone, because we are a source of accurate information. Helping to ensure that information about Titanic remains so is, I believe, our responsibility.
#42760, "RE: Several points" In response to Reply # 21
So, I'm one of your knew members, who joined in Feb. 2011.
You were very helpful in advising me how to get a recently
manufactured kit, and not an older version, which was on my
dealer's shelf. I bought a kit right out of the shipping
container, after being helped by a friendly person at
Minicraft. At that time the contest was to be over, in May
2011. I didn't even start, until May. It has taken me
several months to understand the complexity of this
undertaking, overcome the awe of all of you master model
makers, and finally drill out the thousand or so portholes.
I also had to decide on the level of detail, and the time
commitment needed to accomplishment my goals. So I'm glad to
be working on a kit that will not be obsolete, by the time I
finish. I will look forward to using all your advice as I
enjoy making this kit.
#42856, "RE: 2012 Special edition Titanic" In response to Reply # 3
Dear Art. Do not dispair! I now have Dr. Hahn's 1:144 titanic plans,CNC and PE kit. I also now have Dan Reed's hull and funnel kit. My grandchildren are facinated and excited to to see the finished product. They love to visit and see all of the Titanic models,books,and pictures that I have built and collected over the years. I am building the larger version and a larger version of the wreck for a get-together with fellow fanatics we hold every year at a friends supper club where he and his staff serve a first class dinner from the first class menu. I also have plans to travel to my grandchildrens and grandnephews & neices schools for a Titanic day. I also am in contact with a local library. The kids WILL drag themselves from the computer and killing aliens to experience something the can see, touch, and help build. Maybe we get to technical! I don't mind spending an afternoon building a ship or plane with purple wings, green hull, or red guns and glue all over. To them it is a thing of beauty,they did it themselves,and they will learn by experience. If they won't come to us, lets take it to them! Remember the TITANIC and hobbies!!!! Dave
#45782, "RE: 2012 Special edition Titanic" In response to Reply # 29
I for one would love to have an accurate model I have 2 incomplete now.. I started to drill out the holes but never finished then got discouraged by all the inaccuracy and I don't have the skill or time to fix them. The hatch cover I made many failed attempts to fix. I had a set of the decals for the promenade deck and window frames cleaner than painting but they were lost when I lost my hard drive and they are no longer on the site so again I am not happy with the painted result hence I never finished.I have the fiber optic for the lights i am using incandescent bulbs from the model RR hobby because I want that dull yellow look LED are too crisp and bright for the time.Make no mistake its a long in devour so a accurate kit would be nice.