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J. Kent LaytonTue Apr-10-12 01:45 PM
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#45845, "RE: Titanic: The Final Word with James Cameron..... What do you think?"
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Paul,

>>I haven't yet seen this documentary and am wary of doing so. especially if its based on sinking diagrams as shown in the current National Geographic magazine, Parks Stephensons website etc.<<

It really isn't all bad, Paul. I think there's a lot of good information in there.

>>It shows the Titanic taking a huge list to port, which Joughin indeed described. But Frank Prentice and Paddy Dillon never mentioned this huge list and they were on board till the last; indeed, one of Joughin's first interviews says that he "jumped into the water" - there is no mention of his precarious walk along the ship's side at all. So, we only have Joughin's word for this. I don't think anyone in the lifeboats saw this port list at all.<<

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>>Does the documentary also say that the ship never stood up vertical, but that it only seemed to do so depending on different vantage points? Most people, regardless of whether they were somewhere ahead, abeam of on the quarter describe the Titanic as going vertical, which is not possible if the ship seemed to go vertical from just a few angles.<<

I agree with you entirely, Paul. The extreme post-break port-side list, and the stern never going fully vertical, are two things I simply can not reconcile with what survivors said they saw and experienced.

>>I think there is some evidence that the Titanic cork-screwed as she went under. Some in boat "A" talk about the propellors swinging round over their heads, and Thayer in "B" said that the deck seemed to turn away from them (that is, to port). I can't say for sure, but it may be the last remnants of any connectivity pulling the ship round as the bow submerged.<<

Haha, it's good to hear we're not the only three who remembered that evidence. There is actually very good evidence that the stern corkscrewed on the surface; the only thing that could account for these accounts is if there was some last something holding the two halves of the ship together, probably on the port side, and that as the bow went down, it pulled on the port side of the stern, corkscrewing it around before helping to stand it up on end. There is simply no other explanation for these motions, and we simply can't 'explain away' this evidence as 'coincidence.'

Regards,
J. Kent Layton
www.atlanticliners.com

  

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Titanic: The Final Word with James Cameron..... What do you think? [View all] , William B. Barney, Sun Apr-08-12 10:18 PM
  RE: Titanic: The Final Word with James Cameron..... What do you think?, RMSTitanic87, Apr 08th 2012, #1
RE: Titanic: The Final Word with James Cameron..... What do you think?, Tad Fitch, Apr 08th 2012, #2
RE: Titanic: The Final Word with James Cameron..... What do you think?, Mark Draper, Apr 09th 2012, #3
RE: Titanic: The Final Word with James Cameron..... What do you think?, BluebirdMike, Apr 09th 2012, #4
      RE: Titanic: The Final Word with James Cameron..... What do you think?, William B. Barney, Apr 09th 2012, #5
           RE: Titanic: The Final Word with James Cameron..... What do you think?, William B. Barney, Apr 09th 2012, #7
RE: Titanic: The Final Word with James Cameron..... What do you think?, Tad Fitch, Apr 09th 2012, #6
RE: Titanic: The Final Word with James Cameron..... What do you think?, RoyMengot, Apr 09th 2012, #8
RE: Titanic: The Final Word with James Cameron..... What do you think?, RMSTitanic87, Apr 09th 2012, #9
      RE: Titanic: The Final Word with James Cameron..... What do you think?, J. Kent Layton, Apr 09th 2012, #10
           RE: Titanic: The Final Word with James Cameron..... What do you think?, Tad Fitch, Apr 09th 2012, #11
                RE: Titanic: The Final Word with James Cameron..... What do you think?, Eugene_S.S., Apr 10th 2012, #12
                     RE: Titanic: The Final Word with James Cameron..... What do you think?, titanorac9370, Apr 10th 2012, #13
                          RE: Titanic: The Final Word with James Cameron..... What do you think?, Eugene_S.S., Apr 10th 2012, #14
                               RE: Titanic: The Final Word with James Cameron..... What do you think?, titanorac9370, Apr 10th 2012, #15
                                    RE: Titanic: The Final Word with James Cameron..... What do you think?, J. Kent Layton, Apr 10th 2012, #16
                                    RE: Titanic: The Final Word with James Cameron..... What do you think?, Eugene_S.S., Apr 10th 2012, #17
                                         RE: Titanic: The Final Word with James Cameron..... What do you think?, Paul_Lee, Apr 10th 2012, #18
                                         RE: Titanic: The Final Word with James Cameron..... What do you think?, William B. Barney, Apr 10th 2012, #19
                                         RE: Titanic: The Final Word with James Cameron..... What do you think?, J. Kent Layton, Apr 10th 2012 #21
                                              RE: Titanic: The Final Word with James Cameron..... What do you think?, Paul_Lee, Apr 10th 2012, #22
                                                   RE: Titanic: The Final Word with James Cameron..... What do you think?, J. Kent Layton, Apr 10th 2012, #23
                                                        RE: Titanic: The Final Word with James Cameron..... What do you think?, Paul_Lee, Apr 10th 2012, #24
                                                             RE: Titanic: The Final Word with James Cameron..... What do you think?, D.V.C., Apr 10th 2012, #25
                                         RE: Titanic: The Final Word with James Cameron..... What do you think?, J. Kent Layton, Apr 10th 2012, #20
                                              RE: Titanic: The Final Word with James Cameron..... What do you think?, Eugene_S.S., Apr 11th 2012, #26
                                              RE: Titanic: The Final Word with James Cameron..... What do you think?, Tad Fitch, Apr 14th 2012, #28
                                                   RE: Titanic: The Final Word with James Cameron..... What do you think?, Titanicgroupie, Apr 15th 2012, #29
RE: Titanic: The Final Word with James Cameron..... What do you think?, Bruce Trinque, Apr 12th 2012, #27

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