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gesalinasThu Nov-04-10 08:41 PM
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#4012, "RE: Scratchbuild 1/135 Titanic"
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Hello !!!!!!
Hugo and me were talking by phone about this topic and I tell to you that Hugo says to me:
“ There is no evidence that supports the forum. The pattern deck of Oceanic doesn’t meant that Titanic was identical. Is another ship and shipyard. The pattern of forecastle deck it´s different. Oceanic has wider strakes parallel. On Titanic, the deck it´s different around the capstan. The strakes are square or rectangular.
The photos supports there was that step. You can see the photo where the anchor is hanging from a crane. There is no proof to the contrary”
Besides, I say that I don´t understand why wait too much to carve the wider strakes or until finish the entire deck on forecastle.
So, it´s reasonable to wait. If he change the step and it´s wrong, he must to rebuild the entire wood strakes on forecastle deck because the strakes are glued strong.
I saw on book Anatomy of the ship series “The Schooner Bertha L Downs” a picture of forecastle from a sister sail ship (the same class). There is no step. There is no sharp edge. However, the drawings show to me the contrary. But this sail ship was built in 1908, the same years that Titanic. But it´s a sail ship and american, not the same thing.
Of course, he is grateful with your comments (me too, because I learn about naval architecture).
Hugo show me and ask me about things of Titanic, and I can see that this ship has strange details. Many of them are not common in naval architecture. Because of this, I can´t help him. Each nation has your own way and they changes depending on the years or ship types.
However, it´s not the last word .
Regards.
Gonzalo.

Hola !!!
Yo y Hugo hemos estado hablándonos por teléfono y discutiendo acerca de este tema. Les digo lo que el me dice:
“En realidad no hay evidencia que apoye lo que se dice en el foro. El hecho de que el Oceanic tenga la cubierta de este modo, no significa que el Titanic sea igual. Es otro barco y otro astillero. Tampoco es igual el esquema de las tracas en el castillo de proa. En el Oceanic, las tracas gruesas son paralelas en general, en el Titanic forma un contorno distinto, especialmente en el cabrestante que tiene forma de rectángulo. La evidencia apoya que existe ese escalón. Lo muestra la misma foto incluida aquí, aquella donde el ancla cuelga de la grúa. Pruebas de lo contrario no existen.”
Además yo digo que no entiendo por qué se espera tanto para afilar la traca gruesa. Eso debería hacerse al mismo tiempo que se construye la cubierta y no esperar a que termine la construcción de toda la cubierta.
Lo prudente es esperar. Si el afila la traca y resulta incorrecto, tiene que arrancar todas las tracas del castillo para arreglarlo. Hay que hacer todo el trabajo de nuevo.
Yo he visto en el libro Anatomy of the Ship series “The Schooner Bertha L. Downs” una foto del castillo de proa de un velero similar que apoya la tesis de uds del foro. Una transición lisa de las tracas gruesas centrales a las tracas mas angostas. Sin embargo en los dibujos me muestran el escalón. Lo importante es que este velero es de 1908, contemporáneo al Titanic, pero es de construcción americana y es un velero.
Por supuesto, mi amigo Hugo les agradece vuestra ayuda (yo también, pues aprendo sobre arquitectura naval).
Aparte de este tema, Hugo me muestra y me consulta sobre particularidades de construcción en el Titanic, y por lo que yo sé, este era un barco con detalles extraños. Muchos detalles de construcción del Titanic son únicos de esta nave y no concuerdan con la arquitectura naval de la época y yo no lo puedo ayudar. Cada nación tiene su estilo y varía según el tipo de nave y año.
Sin embargo no está dicha la última palabra.
Saludos.

  

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RE: Scratchbuild 1/135 Titanic, Hugotanic, Jan 04th 2010, #15
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