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bpreadFri Nov-05-10 01:44 PM
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#4014, "Enhanced Photo Evidence"
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This post is primarily directed at Hugo but I hope it provides evidence for anyone else who may be undecided about this issue.
Was there a "step" between the wider thicker planking in the forward central section of the forecastle planking or were the wider thicker planks "beveled" or "shaved" to provide a smooth transition with no step?
Photos have been posted which are from military ships of different countries and from near contemporaries of Titanic. While I personally believe that the Oceanic photo is instructive if not definitive, lets throw all these photos out of this discussion. Let's provide evidence from an Olympic class ship which is actually in service and not under construction like the Britannic photos of the center anchor being loaded. Art posted a photo of Olympic in the previous post that I believe is the one we should be looking at. Unfortunately at the resolution of the photo which was posted, the pertinent details are difficult to discern.
Below is an enhanced photo of the one Art posted. It is of Olympic during her 1912-13 refit. I have indicated the border planks between the 10 in. x 4 in. planks and the 5 in. x 3 in. planks. The crucial area to look at is where these planks meet the margin planks. The 5x3 in. planks are flush with the margin planks at their forward ends. Since the margin planks are of constant thickness, one would expect to see a "step" above the margin plank where the 10x4 in. planks meet it. We do not. The reason is because the 10x4 in. planks are beveled to meet it on their forward ends. If they were only beveled on their forward ends we would see the "step" beginning to develop as you follow the plank junction between the two plank sizes as you proceed aft. We do not see that step form. What we see is is a smooth and uniform transition between the two types of planks.

This particular way of handling this transition between plank sizes was more a function of the particular shipyard and its practices rather than vessel type. As an example on Lusitania we see that the John Brown shipyard employed the "step" method. This shipyard practice is why I believe the Oceanic photo should receive even more weight even though it is not crucial to this argument.

So, Hugo or anyone else, you are free to model this area how you wish.
Our purpose is not to criticize individual modeler's efforts. One of the purposes of this forum and of those who have studied this ship for years is to try to distinguish those features of this ship which are open to speculation and which are not. If there is some evidence which can be presented which will contradict the evidence I have presented, I welcome it. Until then, I believe the best evidence supports the position that the thicker forecastle planks were beveled where they met the thinner planks.

Regards,
Bob Read


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