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JonathanSun Feb-06-11 04:21 PM
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#40903, "Genuine "colour" photo with OLYMPIC in view"
Sat Feb-05-11 10:24 AMby Jonathan

  

          

This is said to be a genuine colour photograph taken in Southampton and showing Mauretania during her annual hull clean. But look who else appears in shot - Olympic.

I know it's not much to go by, nothing I can do about that, but this has to be the first colour image showing Olympic released publically.

"The Cunard S. S. 'Mauretania' at dock for her semiannual hull cleaning, Southampton, Hampshire, 1928 (autochrome), Adams, Clifton R. (fl.c. 1930) / National Geographic Image Collection / The Bridgeman Art Library"






http://www.corbisimages.com/Enlargement/42-25655577.html

http://bridgemanart.com/image/Adams-Clifton-R-fl-c-1930/The-Cunard-S-S-Mauretania-at-dock-for-her-semiannual-hull-cleaning-Southampton-Hampshire-1928-autoc/ca0a0594a3694843bf850124af38681e?key=mauretania&filter=CBPOIHV&thumb=x150&num=15&page=13



Jonathan

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Kevin RSun Feb-06-11 05:15 PM
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#40990, "RE: Genuine "
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Sun Feb-06-11 05:29 PMby Kevin R

  

          

In looking at the Olympic picture I've very please that it falls within the range of my WSB color (funnel pics #3).The actual color of my WSB is #1 which is the closest of the pics to what my WSB looks like and funnel pics #2-#5 are pics taken of my WSB funnel under different lighting conditions.

Now let's say that I didn't post the pics of my WSB under different lighting conditions and only post funnel pic #2,many could say that my WSB is too yellow etc or if I had posted pics #5 some could say that my WSB is too orange.

Let's say that I painted a funnel the same shade as shown in pics #2,then took pictures under different lighting conditions,it would be more yellow and further away from the original color of my WSB #1.

Now if one were to paint a funnel in the same shade as seen in the Olympic picture,it would in pics taken under different lighting conditions appear more yellow in shade than it actually was. The question I have on the olympic picture is that is it too light? yes the distance and the lighting will affect how a color will come out, I believe that the actual color would be different if one were to view or had taken a picture up close and would most likely be darker in color than as shown. Regards,Kevin


  

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RE: Genuine , titanorac9370, Feb 07th 2011, #32
      RE: Genuine , mauretania1906, Feb 07th 2011, #33
           RE: Genuine , Ragemanchoo, Sep 08th 2012, #35
                RE: Genuine , mauretania1906, Sep 08th 2012, #38

    
titanorac9370Mon Feb-07-11 06:47 AM
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#40996, "RE: Genuine "
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Hi all.

Just a thought about the "new" pic. If it was indeed taken on or around November 14 then it must have been taken around 2 or 3 in the afternoon as any later than that and it would've started getting dark. The ships are in clear sunlight but there doesn't seem to be any reddening due to the onset of dusk, however there is a slight haze which is usual for a crystal clear (and quite cold I can imagine) November afternoon. Olympic's funnel colour would appear lighter in direct sunlight so would the most accurate funnel colour be on the front and back sides?

Any ideas?

Cheers, Rich.

  

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mauretania1906Mon Feb-07-11 08:25 AM
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#40998, "RE: Genuine "
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Hi,

Somebody pinch me when when all our monitors and set to the same gamma, white balance etc. and etc.. Otherwise this discussion is pointless beyond marveling at what has been shown as we are most all seeing different things and have been all along with the WSL buff questions and so on. These colors and the appearance are quite typical of a Lumiere Bros. Autochrome, and that is indeed the Cunard Line funnel color as close as you are going to get - until still more surface. And they will. One gent took over 70,000 plates around London and all over from about 1913 on, ending finally around 1930 or so. This not just my little opinion but that of some people who really ought to know - and do. And the opinions of some folks with Mauretania funnel paint chips. Maybe we will stop seeing blood red Cunard model funnels now? I know one author who may have to order new updated-color custom dyed accessories!

Best,
Eric

  

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RagemanchooSat Sep-08-12 01:27 AM
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#47544, "RE: Genuine "
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"One gent took over 70,000 plates around London and all over from about 1913 on, ending finally around 1930 or so."

Are any/all posted online somewhere? I'd love to see them!

  

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#47548, "RE: Genuine "
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Sun Sep-09-12 05:09 AMby mauretania1906

  

          

Hello Ragemanchoo,

Yes. In my posts from long ago I predicted these plates would be found in print here and other sites. At that time I was doing work on the simulated Lumiere Autochrome I previewed here and will show again for you. Anyway, in doing research I looked at hundreds of plates and went to NYC to see more in person. I had found one with a seeming "WSL buff" I believe on the Thames and reported it here; I show it below. There are tons of Autochromes from C. 1880 on to a superb series postwar in London 1919 also below. Not to mention the work of Sergei Mikhailovich Prokudin-Gorskii (self portrait).


Colour photographs of London, 1:55pm on a sunny Sunday afternoon, 1924
http://www.retronaut.co/2010/03/fleet-street-london-155pm-on-a-sunny-sunday-afternoon-in-1924-in-colour/pool-of-london/



Colour photographs of London’s “Peace Day”, 19th July 1919
http://www.retronaut.co/2010/02/london%E2%80%99s-%E2%80%9Cpeace-day%E2%80%9D-19th-july-1919-in-colour/


Author: Sergey Prokudin-Gorsky (1863–1944), digital rendering for the Library of Congress by Walter Frankhauser/ WalterStudio
Self-portrait of Sergei Mikhailovich Prokudin-Gorskii. Early color photograph from Russia, created by Prokudin-Gorskii as part of his work to document the Russian Empire from 1904 to 1916.


I post below for Ragemoocho two small samples of the digital Lusitania image of her at Pier 54 on 9.13.07 I have mentioned over the years as work progressed. It seems I did this in about 4 years. It shows the speckled nature and other artifacts that typify an Autochrome plate. In my attempt to render all colors and surfaces correctly (including carriages, dock shed, and clothes etc.), and as seen through an aged Lumiere plate with a timed exposure, I am sure I have made some errors, but I was very pleased with the look.





Best wishes,
Eric K. Longo

Edited to add: The multi-colored speckled starch surfaces I attempted to achieve in my Lusitania simulation above, which are typical of this process, are just visible in the sky of the 1928 Autochrome enlargement in the first posts and more-so in the Autochromes in this post.

Also, at the Autochrome site with the 1919 plates I noticed photographs of Titanic survivors that might bear looking at:
http://www.retronaut.co/2012/02/titanic-survivors-1912/

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