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alotefFri Jun-01-12 11:02 PM
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#46840, "Clive Palmer's "Titanic II""


          

Being an Australian, I thought I ought to raise the much-debated topic of Aussie billionaire and mining magnate Clive Palmer's attempt to build a working replica of Titanic II.

First, some details:
Only some minor details have been released so far. These articles cover the story pretty well:
http://www.smh.com.au/business/clive-palmer-plans-to-build-titanic-ii-20120430-1xtrc.html
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/clive-palmer-titanic-ii-with-vital-changes-to-script/story-e6freuy9-1226343107717

Already, I believe there to be some big problems with this idea:

1. Lifeboats.
According to regulations, it is no longer possible to place lifeboats as high above the water as Titanic's were. This would mean shifting them down to A, B or C deck, necessitating mass removal of staterooms and promenades.

2. What to do?
Titanic was essentially a giant ferry, taking people to and from America and Britain. It was not a floating pleasure palace like today's cruise ships are. Therefore, passenger's experiences ought to be very boring as a modern audience would find almost nothing to do except stroll promenades or read. Which brings me to...

3. Classes.
Would classes be implemented? How could they be? If there were no classes, then First Class and Second Class rooms such as the reception room and lounges would be crowded while I imagine the Third Class spaces would be unpopular and deemed not as aesthetically pleasing as the Grand Staircase.

4. Sizes.
People one hundred years ago were smaller, a fact owing to dietary supplements and changes. This fact was most telling in James Cameron's 1997 Titanic film where the Grand Staircase was made a few feet bigger in all directions so that actors would not appear out of proportion. It is my belief that if Palmer does build Titanic true to scale, then the ship would feel very small indeed for those on-board.

5. Not to mention....
Extreme pricing, Titanic-themed merchandise and gimmicks. What a lot of fun that will be!

6. Moral issues.
Just how moral is it to re-build a liner that is famous for sinking? Why not build a replica of Olympic, as Titanic was of course an Olympic-class ship. The answer is branding and money, and so the name "Titanic" will be used to drag in the dregs of our society, those who saw the 1997 film, fell in love with a ship they know almost nothing about and cry with joy when they land tickets for the maiden voyage. It's like re-building the twin towers in a way.

7. Building the ship in China? Navy escorts?
The ship is being built by CSC Jinling (http://www.jlshipyard.cn/eng_show.asp?menuid=2), a Chinese yard most competent in building bulk-carriers. In which way does a company's experience in building tankers qualify it to re-create one of the world's most beautiful liners?

Also, the fact that the Chinese navy has "offered" to escort the ship on its maiden voyage is, to me at least, a little off. Almost like it could be the beginning of some global tension.

With these points considered, it seems that passengers on Titanic II can enjoy:
An over-priced voyage on a cheap copy of a luxury liner that carried people to their graves, with limited accommodation thanks to lifeboat placement, crowded luxury rooms, low ceilings, "over-saturation" of merchandising and nothing to do but stroll on deck and play cards.

Doesn't sound like any fun to me.
But I'm sure it'll make money.
Just my 2 cents, I'm eager to hear yours.
Regards,
Mike B, From Australia.


  

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dutchSat Jun-02-12 03:15 PM
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#46843, "RE: Clive Palmer's "
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Well, I share your thoughts...

Nevertheless, the vessel could be used as a floating museum. When anchored in a harbour, it could actually be an exact replica. I would appraise a Titanic museum inside an exact copy of the original vessel. That would be a respectful way to commemorate the ones who perished.

I fear however that the Titanic II will be (heavily) commercially exploited to make sure a return on investments is met. That would be disgusting, and possibly demystifying Titanic I.

Have a nice evening, best regards from Holland

  

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RMS GiganticMon Mar-11-13 05:17 PM
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#48802, "RE: Titanic II"
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Mon Mar-11-13 05:18 PMby RMS Gigantic

  

          

I decided to start a new sub-thread here, since the previous chain is getting unorganized in how long it's gotten....

So to start off, I found something interesting after I've started doing a fair deal of research on Titanic II:

It's been stated that Titanic II's modern lifeboats will have a capacity of 250 people each. The rendering and Cyril Codus's drawing of the ship show 18 lifeboats, one RHIB rescue boat, and four life raft canisters per side. Additionally, the preliminary plans to Titanic II state that a possible feature of the ship might be to perform harbor excursions or even tendering using the replica (historical) lifeboats.

From this, Titanic II will have a lifeboat capacity of 4,500 people, not counting the rescue boats and life rafts. Assuming the replica lifeboats keep their historical capacity (1,148 people), that number increases to 5,648. Even assuming that the rescue boats only hold four people each and the life rafts only hold six people each, Titanic II's boats and rafts would still have a total capacity of 5,704 people if her situation ever became dire!

  

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Colin WestSat Mar-16-13 08:35 PM
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#48871, "Let's Look At Who Actually Attended The Dinners."
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Maybe we should see who actually attended these dinners. If BSL had supposedly asked every man and their dog.....I'd like to see who actually attended.

I know of several who couldn't make it because their budget wouldn't allow travel; while some had been attending the dinners in December, but couldn't make it in Feb., being it coincided with another function elsewhere.

Col.

  

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New York Dinner, Colin West, Mar 16th 2013, #133
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Mal BiggSun Mar-17-13 12:06 AM
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#48876, "A prayer for replica Titanic"
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Published on 16/03/2013 11:41

THE Mission to Seafarers’ global maritime welfare charity has been commissioned to write and deliver a prayer of remembrance and blessing to the crew, passengers and engineers who will sail on the replica cruise ship Titanic II.

Blue Star Line of Australia, led by billionaire business tycoon Professor Clive Palmer, has designed the new ship which will be built in China. It is an almost exact replica of the historic Belfast-built passenger liner Titanic. All new modern safety features will be included in the Titanic II design and lifeboat requirements will meet strict international standards.

Professor Palmer said: “All of us stand in awe of the courage of people who stood on the deck as the ship went down in 1912 and sang hymns, which reminds us of their faith in God and what it meant; and we need to have faith again I think, in what we can do in our lives.”

Canon Huw Mosford, who wrote the prayer, says: “We are proud to contribute to the Titanic II project with Blue Star Line. Together we ask for a blessing for those who will travel on and work aboard the ship which sets sail from Southampton to New York on her maiden voyage in 2016.”

http://www.newsletter.co.uk/community/churches/a-prayer-for-replica-titanic-1-4907017

  

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Colin WestFri Apr-05-13 02:29 AM
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#48997, "Things Look Like They Are Starting To Happen."
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I see the Blue Star Line have linked-up up their website to their own Youtube and Twitter accounts.

http://bluestarline.com.au/

https://twitter.com/titanic_ii

http://www.youtube.com/user/bluestarlines

Col.

  

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#49040, "TITANIC II PROJECT DEVELOPMENT"
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TITANIC II PROJECT DEVELOPMENT
Blue Star Line Pty Ltd Chairman Professor Clive Palmer has announced the shipping company has signed a contract with Deltamarin for the project development phase for the Titanic II project.

Blue Star Line has undertaken the task of building Titanic II, a replica of the original RMS Titanic, which is scheduled to sail from Southampton to New York on her maiden passenger voyage in 2016.

Titanic II, a full scale version of the original ship, is being designed by the Finland-based Deltamarin and will be built by leading Chinese shipbuilders CSC Jinling Shipyard, which since 1996 has built vessels for customers from more than 20 countries.

Professor Palmer said the new contract with Deltamarin was signed this month and covers a detailed schedule of events including the commencement of construction and the keel laying.

The scope of work for the contract includes the establishment of project steering committees and a management team, he said.

Deltamarin will be responsible for coordinating the various parties involved in the project including the shipyard, architects, interior designers and operations managers.

Professor Palmer said Deltamarin will undertake a full review of the Titanic II project to ensure the vessel will be compliant with all current safety and construction regulations.

While every bit as luxurious as the original, Titanic II will have every modern amenity along with 21st century technology and the latest navigation and safety systems.

http://us5.campaign-archive2.com/?u=50c2c27f58b4d755469de97fb&id=0c90ef4e9b

  

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