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khokhar1912Wed Mar-01-17 01:33 AM
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#54718, "Replica titanic under construction "


          

http://www.traveller.com.au/chinas-unsinkable-replica-of-the-titanic-to-be-main-attraction-at-new-amusement-park-gumvrr

What are people's thoughts on this project?

Personally I think it will become a circus over there

Omar

  

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RE: Replica titanic under construction , VonHoldinghausen, Mar 01st 2017, #1
RE: Replica titanic under construction , Jason, Mar 01st 2017, #2
RE: Replica titanic under construction , Art Braunschweiger, Mar 01st 2017, #3
      RE: Replica titanic under construction , Titanic5972, Mar 01st 2017, #4
      RE: Replica titanic under construction , Art Braunschweiger, Mar 01st 2017, #5
      RE: Replica titanic under construction , Jason, Mar 03rd 2017, #7
RE: Replica titanic under construction , Mr.Quagmire, Mar 01st 2017, #6
Replica titanic under construction - ANSWERS, Bruce, Mar 27th 2017, #8
RE: Replica titanic under construction - ANSWERS, tucky, Mar 27th 2017, #9
RE: Replica titanic under construction - ANSWERS, TimTurner, Mar 28th 2017, #10
      RE: Replica titanic under construction - ANSWERS, Bruce, Mar 28th 2017, #11
           RE: Replica titanic under construction - ANSWERS, richcop81, Mar 28th 2017, #12
           Please sign your post, Art Braunschweiger, Mar 28th 2017, #14
           RE: Replica titanic under construction - ANSWERS, CAgriffetts, Mar 28th 2017, #13
                RE: Replica titanic under construction - ANSWERS, William W. Young, Mar 28th 2017, #15
                RE: Replica titanic under construction - ANSWERS, CAgriffetts, Mar 28th 2017, #16
                     RE: Replica titanic under construction - ANSWERS, TimTurner, Mar 28th 2017, #17
                          RE: Replica titanic under construction - ANSWERS, Bruce, Mar 29th 2017, #18
                               RE: Replica titanic under construction - ANSWERS, Morten Jensen, Mar 30th 2017, #19
                                    RE: Replica titanic under construction - ANSWERS, William W. Young, Mar 30th 2017, #20
                                    RE: Replica titanic under construction - ANSWERS, Bruce, Mar 30th 2017, #21
                                         RE: Replica titanic under construction - ANSWERS, Morten Jensen, Mar 30th 2017, #22
                                              RE: Replica titanic under construction - ANSWERS, SteveHall, Mar 31st 2017, #23
RE: Replica titanic under construction , VonHoldinghausen, Apr 01st 2017, #24
RE: Replica titanic under construction , mauretania1906, Apr 25th 2017, #25

VonHoldinghausenWed Mar-01-17 02:28 AM
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#54719, "RE: Replica titanic under construction "
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Makes me sad. Nothing else.

Cheers,

/Best Regards Pontus

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Titanic 350 Minicraft
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JasonWed Mar-01-17 04:41 AM
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#54720, "RE: Replica titanic under construction "
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Tue Apr-18-17 04:55 PMby Jason

  

          

I haven't heard that they've hired any well-known experts so I am skeptical.

(edit) I have now, obviously :-) (edit)

  

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Art BraunschweigerWed Mar-01-17 09:02 AM
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#54723, "RE: Replica titanic under construction "
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Wed Mar-01-17 09:04 AMby Art Braunschweiger

  

          

Actually he's just that, the designer - not the historical expert. They have hired an expert on Titanic's design and fitting out to oversee the accuracy of the exterior, and the period rooms on the interior. (Sorry, I'm not at liberty to say who it is.)

Art

  

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Titanic5972Wed Mar-01-17 10:51 AM
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#54724, "RE: Replica titanic under construction "
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If they can pull off a faithful replica then it will be a great thing for the Titanic community. I dont see how that will be though, seeing as they are reporting a replica Ballroom and Theatre will be included, something the Olympic Class never had. One thing I am completely opposed to is the "Sinking Experience." This was a tragedy that cost over 1500 people their lives. To trivialise that by making it an experience for a modern day theme park is over stepping the line in my opinion.

Ryan

  

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Art BraunschweigerWed Mar-01-17 02:45 PM
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#54725, "RE: Replica titanic under construction "
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Wed Mar-01-17 02:46 PMby Art Braunschweiger

  

          

True, but we seem to sanitize the tragedy out of certain aspects of history as time goes on. I'm not disagreeing with you, just saying . . .

Art Braunschweiger
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JasonFri Mar-03-17 12:42 PM
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#54732, "RE: Replica titanic under construction "
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Only one? I would have thought they'd need at least two - one for the interior, and one for the exterior.

  

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Mr.QuagmireWed Mar-01-17 03:15 PM
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#54726, "RE: Replica titanic under construction "
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Interesting, to say the least.

Colin

  

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BruceMon Mar-27-17 03:52 PM
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#54829, "Replica titanic under construction - ANSWERS"
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Mon Mar-27-17 04:06 PMby Bruce

          

Where the hell have I been? I don't have the time to explain, but I had to go into retirement after TTSM because of burn out and for many other reasons - not the least a now ex-wife.



I am in charge of the Chinese Titanic 2. I am the design supervisor. I have formed my own consulting company. I will be happy to answer questions about this. But be patient with me. I am now very very busy.

I am personally handling the exterior design elements. Curtis Schnell is my business partner. He is a Hollywood art director, producer, director etc. His specialty is creating the look while I and the rest of my team provide the technical data. Daniel Klistorner is on the interior team. Steve Hall is writing the Titanic 2 book and more. Bill Young is on the post production team for promotional stuff. There are other employees of my company, and contractors that no one here has heard of. These men and women are writers, fabricators, and I also have Chinese team members who handle all of my affairs when I am over seas.

Bruce
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tuckyMon Mar-27-17 07:05 PM
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#54830, "RE: Replica titanic under construction - ANSWERS"
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Good to see you are back Bruce,

I was wondering how accurate the replica would be to the original, and seeing all the names of the people you mentioned, I hope it is going to be very accurate.

I am looking forward to your future posts of the progress.

Regards,

Steven Tuckwood

  

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TimTurnerTue Mar-28-17 01:50 AM
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#54833, "RE: Replica titanic under construction - ANSWERS"
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If you are willing to field a few questions, I'm not ashamed to ask:

1. What percentage of the "original ship" will be visitable?
2. How much of the crew's spaces, engineering, etc will be visitable?

Thanks, and good luck with the project.

  

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BruceTue Mar-28-17 06:24 AM
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#54835, "RE: Replica titanic under construction - ANSWERS"
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Hello Tim,


The best way to answer your questions is to first explain what T2 will be.

T2 will be a static floating ship. It will not have operational engines. It will be permanently tied off at the wharf that is being created for it, inside the much larger Romandisea Theme Park. It will be a functional - operational hotel. Guests will be able to stay on T2. There will be tours given at certain intervals from the land. My company is involved with all of the land buildinsg also - including a museum, artifact display area, cafe' etc.

With that being said, T2 will be a combination of 1912 and 2017. For instance, there will be 1st class cabins on B Deck just as T1, but on T2 the bedsteads won't be narrow like the originals but perhaps king sized, but the headboard and footboard will be designed to look like the original - only wider of course. All of the rooms will be laid out to 2017 standards and cannot match T1's deck layout exactley. Flat screen TV's will be hidden behind the room paneling, all cabins will have a private bathroom etc... Which is one of the reasons why we can't just lay out these rooms like T1.

Every attempt to be historically accurate to the upper class public rooms and main companionways is being undertaken.

Ships can't be built like they were in the early 20th Century any more. There are fire escape regulations, and other specifications that have to be met - not to mention anything Chinese specific. This ship, though static, has to be built to ship regulations because it is floating, albeit with only 20 lifeboats. These design issues have been a point of contention between me and the CSIC shipbuilders.

I'm designing the ship to fit what I am given to work with. Ships like this are not built with sheer or in and out shell strakes anymore. (There will be phony doubling plates and rivets) The decks will be flat like all the rest of the passenger ships these days, but there will be compensation at the bow and stern to give the appearance of sheer. Other cosmetic issues are also being addressed. I am trying to make the exterior of T2 look as accurate as possible within the guidelines. Yea, there will be a lot of phony attachments on the hull and on the weather decks.

There will be specific interior areas of the ship that will be built for historic accuracy. These compartments will be along the tour route that will be offered. All of these rooms etc. have not been decided yet other than the Wheel House, Nav Bridge, Marconi Room, two or three officer's cabins (not the captain's), B Deck Parlour Suite and at least one average 2nd and 3rd class cabin. I want to reproduce a crew compartment along Scotland Road. We are also reproducing the Reciprocating Engine Room and the No. 1 boiler room. There may be more, but that is yet to be determined.

As for more crew spaces Tim, probably not, but that can change. I'm open to suggestions.

Let me state further that there are a lot more people on this project than little old me and the TTSM boys. I didn't name everyone, and there are other contractors coming in from the UK too. I think this ship will actually get built. In fact, they have already started construction on site.

Bruce
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richcop81Tue Mar-28-17 09:32 AM
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#54836, "RE: Replica titanic under construction - ANSWERS"
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Thu Mar-30-17 08:14 PMby TRMA

          

This post was deleted by TRMA as it was not signed.

  

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#54838, "Please sign your post"
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Richcop81,

can you please sign your post with your name? You're welcome to express your opinions, as long as you identify who you are.

Thanks

Art Braunschweiger
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#54837, "RE: Replica titanic under construction - ANSWERS"
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Thanks for all the information Bruce!

I've been following this project for quite a while and information that is specific is very hard to come by. That being said, I have a major question in terms of general stability of the vessel. If they are indeed recreating the engine room (i have seen information that suggests that they are) and boiler room 1. How will you guys compensate weight distribution, along with the ship sitting high in the water if that is all the engineering spaces that are being created?

A note on the sheer line, since the strake plates are dumbies then isn't it possible to tease the appearance of a sheer line using them. Obviously it couldn't be exact, however, it would appear more accurate.

On my personal feelings I share most peoples views as i'm skeptical of the project being faithful to the time period and the collision simulation should not be included for the sake of the men women and children that lost their lives.

Regards,
Christopher Griffetts

  

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William W. YoungTue Mar-28-17 05:34 PM
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#54840, "RE: Replica titanic under construction - ANSWERS"
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Tue Mar-28-17 06:36 PMby William W. Young

          

With regard to concerns over stability and bringing the Ship down near her correct waterline that is being addressed by taking on water ballast in tanks . Sheer is being represented both in some structure alterations and paint lines . Concerning displays in poor taste to the memories of those Loved and lost in the Titanic disaster Bruce has discussed this with the Chinese and so far they have given positive feedback to him on this issue. This is not being built to be some cheap carnival side show in poor taste . The Owners have started a charitable organisation called " The Titanic Foundation " intended to aid those involved in accidents at sea . I would suggest that having Bruce as the Number 1 technical advisor on this project is the best choice for the job as he not only has the technical knowledge to do the job but the sensability to advise the owners regarding Western culture and concerns. Again as Bruce has stated due to fire regulation etc. Titanic 2 cannot be a rivet for rivet room for room pipe for pipe wire for wire duplicate of the original , however for the first time in 100 plus years this will give the public the opportunity to walk the decks and see in full form an Olympic Class Liner as built. I for one am excited over the chance to experience an Edwardian Liner how about You ?

William W. Young

  

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#54841, "RE: Replica titanic under construction - ANSWERS"
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Commenting on what Bruce said in regards to crew spaces and what could or should be reproduced.

I believe it would be fitting to reproduce the the foward crew spaces on C,D and E deck that were allocated to the firemen and trimmers. I say this because these are the people that made this ship run. Also from a historical point of view it completes a story if the engineering spaces that these men worked in are reproduces why not show how they lived as well.

Christopher Griffetts

  

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#54842, "RE: Replica titanic under construction - ANSWERS"
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Awesome, thank you. I enjoy your blueprints very much, I'm using them for my 2nd digital Titanic model. I'm sure you'll do great work.

I agree with the firemen's berthing spaces. And, of course, the boiler room. It's a great contrast showing third-class <u>work</u>, as opposed to quarters. For crew's quarters on Scottland Road, I cast my vote for Charles Joughin's room.

Recommendations for crew's spaces:
1. Crew's mess (any of them)
2. Kitchens on D deck
3. Escape ladder (If you're taking tourists down Scottland road, give them a glimpse down the escape ladders)
4. Dog kennels (who could resist a cute puppy?) - actually this whole area is pretty good tour material since the steward's bunk room and 3rd class kitchen are all right there and it's tucked nicely out of the way under E deck, and just above Boiler Room 1 (which you're already doing), and you've got the boiler room casings for any modernization accommodations.

  

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#54845, "RE: Replica titanic under construction - ANSWERS"
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Thanks to all of you who responded with your ideas. And Bill, good answer.

Besides water ballast, as this ship has a double bottom, the reciprocating steam engines are being built with cement cast pylon legs for the cylinders which themselves are steel. I am not responsible for the stability of the chip. The shipbuilders have to account for that. The LWL on their drawings is very close to that of T1.

To give the appearance of sheer, yes, we will be attempting some careful Hollywood type trickery on the exterior decoration. The biggest issue with this is that the portholes will not follow the sheer, they will have to remain parallel. The exception to this is the bow and stern sheer strakes, which will be adjusted to give the appearance of sheer, and the sidelights within the sheer strakes will also follow that curve.

The firemen's berthing spaces are already utilized for the amenities of a modern hotel. Remember, this will be a working 5 star hotel.

Third class spaces are still in the air. But yes, I agree and have already anticipated redoing the berthing room that included Charles Joughin.


>Recommendations for crew's spaces:
>1. Crew's mess (any of them)

Like the firemen's berthing area, this wil be occupiued by the necessities of a hotel.

>2. Kitchens on D deck

The tour will not go into any galley, and though this was discussed, the money won't be expended to recreate a room full of non working 100 year old galley equipment. Sorry about that one.


>3. Escape ladder (If you're taking tourists down Scottland
>road, give them a glimpse down the escape ladders)

That's a good idea.


>4. Dog kennels (who could resist a cute puppy?)

This whole area of the ship is already being used for hotel necessities.


>this whole area is pretty good tour material since the
>steward's bunk room and 3rd class kitchen are all right there
>and it's tucked nicely out of the way under E deck, and just
>above Boiler Room 1 (which you're already doing), and you've
>got the boiler room casings for any modernization
>accommodations.

Thanks for the ideas. I'm working on these "historic areas" right now.


Bruce
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Morten JensenThu Mar-30-17 02:20 PM
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#54853, "RE: Replica titanic under construction - ANSWERS"
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Bruce -

Glad to see you back on the forum!

I must admit I have been skeptical to the entire idea from the start. But seeing yours and all the other well-known names from the Titanic communitymakes me very enthusiastic about this. With all your expertice this will no doubt end up great. I did not even know that the hotel will be floating!

Is the T2 going to be the same size as the T1? LOA? And approximately when will we see other than concrete on the site?

Best regards,

- Morten

  

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#54855, "RE: Replica titanic under construction - ANSWERS"
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Titanic is being recreated in full original size to T1 and updates will be forthcoming as can be provided. Bruce is super busy now as all I am sure can imagine as the time difference with china Vs. the USA. Bruce works on the project and then gets communication from China all night. Not exactly a part time job . Everyone is excited working with the project and Bruce is working diligently with the Shipbuilders to turn out a truly amazing floating masterpiece that will draw a worldwide audience .

William W. Young

  

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#54856, "RE: Replica titanic under construction - ANSWERS"
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Morten,

Yes it has been a long time.

Bill answered the LOA question already. I am traveling to the UK next week for the BTS convention, and then coming home for some rest. I will surly post images when I get them. The construction site is a distance from the investor's office in Chengdu. Because there will be a book written on the construction, which is Steve Hall's job, I have to get photographs for him as well. He's in charge of the photos at this point.

Good to hear hear from you again Morten


Bruce
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#54861, "RE: Replica titanic under construction - ANSWERS"
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Thank you both for your answers!

Bruce, I fully understand the difficulties and that you are very busy at the time. It can't be easy living in the US and doing a project all the way over in china. Hopefully you get some well-deserved rest soon.

I must say I am really looking forward to see how the book turns out. I am sure Steve will do some great work as usual!

- Morten

  

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#54862, "RE: Replica titanic under construction - ANSWERS"
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I will be documenting the build, which will result in the book mentioned; as well as other project associated work.

Steve
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VonHoldinghausenSat Apr-01-17 03:31 PM
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#54867, "RE: Replica titanic under construction "
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This is starting to sound better now :)
Very interesting indeed from what has been said here.
I must admit I was a bit worried at first...

Cheers!

/Best Regards Pontus

New owner of:

Titanic 350 Minicraft
Many PE parts
Awaiting scaledecks
Davies-Garners fantastic book
TITANIC - The Ship Magnificent

- What to do now?

  

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Clive, we hardly knew ya!

  

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