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JasonTue Apr-04-17 06:27 AM
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#54885, "WSL sheds"


  

          

Hi

Does anyone have details the 1912 Southampton WSL sheds they are willing to share? Trying to figure this out exactly is a bit of a puzzle because the plans I have seem to be at odds with the early photographs I can find. There are two drawings I've been using, from pages 9 and 10 of vol 2 of TTSM. The plan view shows the two sheds aligned; whereas in the image below, the balcony on the western shed is not in alignment. Also, the balcony depicted in the elevation is flush with the side of the building; whereas in the photos, it is overhanging the wharf.



I may be misinterpreting the drawings, or looking a pictures where it has been altered, but I lack the concrete information I need to build this.

Any help would be appreciated.

/Jason

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RE: WSL sheds, Ralph Currell, Apr 04th 2017, #1
RE: WSL sheds, Jason, Apr 04th 2017, #2
      RE: WSL sheds, Ralph Currell, Apr 04th 2017, #3
           RE: WSL sheds, Jason, Apr 05th 2017, #4
                RE: WSL sheds, Ralph Currell, Apr 05th 2017, #5
                     RE: WSL sheds, Jason, Apr 05th 2017, #6
                          RE: WSL sheds, Ralph Currell, Apr 05th 2017, #7
                               RE: WSL sheds, Bill West, Apr 09th 2017, #8

Ralph CurrellTue Apr-04-17 09:22 AM
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#54886, "RE: WSL sheds"
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Hi Jason,

The plans in TTSM are the only detailed ones I've ever come across (they were originally published in the Proceedings of the Institution of Civil Engineers).

I wonder if the shed in the plan represents the southern shed (the one furthest from the camera in your photo). If you look at the photo on page 10 of TTSM vol.2, you'll see that the traveling gangway is a bit shorter than that shown on the plan. To my eye the Titanic shed seems to have the balcony moved outward as shown here in red:



Regards,
Ralph

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JasonTue Apr-04-17 11:06 AM
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#54888, "RE: WSL sheds"
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Tue Apr-04-17 11:17 AMby Jason

  

          

I think you are right!! It makes sense because the boarding car (is there a better name for that?) for Titanic / berth 44 was shorter, as you can see in this Browne picture:



Cameron must have depicted that car incorrectly. He showed the extended one that was designed for the balcony at berth 43 that didn't overhang.

I first I thought this this next picture showed the northern / 43 shed, but it MUST be the berth 44 shed with overhang.



This is the 46 berth, on the other side of the dock, clearly showing a balcony that doesn't overhang. There were not just the two buildings at WSL, but several. I guess the elevation in TTSM shows one type of building.




Finally, this one clinches it, as it shows both balconies. The 43 shed without overhang is clear.



I don't have a photograph of the southern end of the 43 shed, but I suppose it would be reasonable to extrapolate that from the 46 shed?

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Ralph CurrellTue Apr-04-17 09:51 PM
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#54891, "RE: WSL sheds"
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Tue Apr-04-17 10:41 PMby Ralph Currell

          

Hi Jason,

Here's an aerial shot showing the south end of the berth 44 shed, and the rolling gangway or whatever it's called. These are details from a much larger photo taken in 1923 showing the Olympic tied up there.



The full photo can be seen at http://www.britainfromabove.org.uk/image/epw009069 (you may have to create an account there to enlarge the images).

Regards,
Ralph

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JasonWed Apr-05-17 04:55 AM
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#54895, "RE: WSL sheds"
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Many thanks once again Ralph! I don't know how you managed to find that. I searched for images like that on two or three occasions for around half and hour or so. I found a lot but not those.

Well that's almost the final piece of the jigsaw. Just need the south end of 43 now.


  

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Ralph CurrellWed Apr-05-17 08:48 AM
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#54897, "RE: WSL sheds"
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Hi Jason,

Another of the photos from that 1923 series shows the end of shed 43, though it's a bit grainy. I hope it's sufficient for what you need.



Regards,
Ralph

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JasonWed Apr-05-17 11:01 AM
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#54899, "RE: WSL sheds"
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Thank you.

Are you sure that is 43? It has an overhanging balcony! Arrggh!

I'm going to join that site.

  

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Ralph CurrellWed Apr-05-17 12:25 PM
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#54900, "RE: WSL sheds"
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Hi Jason,

Yes, that's 43. I think the shadows are deceiving us; the balcony is not overhanging. If you join that site you'll see photos from 1923 to 1946 showing the sheds from various angles (it appears they were torn down in 1946-47). The post-WWII shots show a marked increase in quality.

Regards,
Ralph

  

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Bill WestSun Apr-09-17 12:58 PM
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#54926, "RE: WSL sheds"
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Hi Jason. Paul Lee has some Cassier's pictures in his library/newspaper clippings file http://www.paullee.com/titanic/BL/index.php about 1/3 the way down.

Bill

  

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