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Morten JensenWed Aug-23-17 05:38 AM
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#55464, "Carpathia bow"
Wed Aug-23-17 05:38 AMby Morten Jensen

  

          

I was wondering if someone could help me with this. I am working on the bow on my Carpathia model and I am wondering about the color on the inside of the bulwark/bow tip. On the builders model this is painted white but I do not trust that model as almost all colors are wrong. I have looked through pictures of other early Cunarders but I can not find anything. If nothing comes up I am going for black.

Also, since there is a railing on the very tip, I guess there would be some sort of platform as well?

And the last one. The fairleads in the tip. How would they be fitted? On some sort of platrofm/box?

I hope anyone could help me with this.


- Morten

  

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RE: Carpathia bow, Ralph Currell, Aug 23rd 2017, #1
RE: Carpathia bow, Morten Jensen, Aug 23rd 2017, #2
      RE: Carpathia bow, Ralph Currell, Aug 23rd 2017, #3
           RE: Carpathia bow, Morten Jensen, Aug 24th 2017, #4
                RE: Carpathia bow, Ralph Currell, Aug 24th 2017, #5
                     RE: Carpathia bow, Scott Andrews, Sep 22nd 2017, #7
                          RE: Carpathia bow, Ralph Currell, Sep 22nd 2017, #8
                               RE: Carpathia bow, Morten Jensen, Sep 23rd 2017, #9
                                    RE: Carpathia bow, Ralph Currell, Sep 23rd 2017, #10
More Carpathia photos, Ralph Currell, Sep 22nd 2017, #6

Ralph CurrellWed Aug-23-17 09:05 AM
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#55465, "RE: Carpathia bow"
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Hi Morten,

There's a photo at https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015080010120;view=1up;seq=634 that should help some (you may have to cut and paste the full URL to get to the right page). The inside bulwark appears to be white, though this photo was taken in 1903 and the colours could have changed by 1912. It's hard to see what is going on with the fairleads, but they might be mounted on pillars to raise them to the top of the bulwark. The area right at the stem is obscured so I can't say if there was a platform there or not.

Another Cunard liner from that period, the Caronia, had a small platform there, as can be seen in the photo at naval-history.net/WW1Memoir-Caronia91.jpg .

I hope this helps.

Regards,
Ralph

  

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Morten JensenWed Aug-23-17 12:02 PM
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#55466, "RE: Carpathia bow"
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Hi Ralph -

Are we the people keeping the forum alive these days?

Thank you for your answer! This helps a lot. I agree that the bulwarks are white in the first photo. I have never seen that one before. In the Caronia photo one can see that they are black.

The first photo of the Carpathia also shows the stanchions along the bulwark and that there was probably some sort of "box"-like structure under the fairleads as it looks like something is in the way of the waterway. Still a bit hard to see...

If you got any more photos like this you would like to share you can either post them here or send me an email. These sorts of details are what I am looking for.

Best regards,

- Morten

  

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Ralph CurrellWed Aug-23-17 10:59 PM
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#55468, "RE: Carpathia bow"
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Thu Aug-24-17 12:05 AMby Ralph Currell

          

Hi Morten,

The Caronia pic was taken during her wartime service as a merchant cruiser, so the colours might be quite different from her civilian livery. I notice other bulwarks on the Carpathia seem to be white (as seen in 1912 photos of the rescue), so I'd lean toward the forecastle bulwarks being the same.

I don't have much else in the way of Carpathia pics beyond the ones in that article I linked to.

(edited to add:) Oh wait, there's a shot of the Carpathia in drydock at https://catalog.archives.gov/id/6038948 . It shows some details of the propeller shafts and rudder that you might find useful.

Regards,
Ralph

  

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Morten JensenThu Aug-24-17 02:31 AM
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#55469, "RE: Carpathia bow"
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Thu Aug-24-17 02:39 AMby Morten Jensen

  

          

I see. I will probably have to go for white then. (Black would have been easier modelwise as this could "cover up" the very tip).

Many thanks for the link. That is a photo I had from before but not in that resolution. The detailing is crisp in the one you shared! So again, thank you.

Looking closer at the photo we can notice that this is probably post 1912 as there are more lifeboats added. There is also a ladder added to the aft deckhouse and the flag staff is moved one deck up to the aft deckhouse.

Regards,

- Morten

  

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Ralph CurrellThu Aug-24-17 11:35 PM
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#55470, "RE: Carpathia bow"
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Hi Morten,

You're right about the dry dock photo being post-1912. The National Archives site gives a date of 19 December 1913. There must be an interesting story behind the ship's presence in a U.S. dry dock. Some sort of emergency repair maybe?

Regards,
Ralph

  

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Scott AndrewsFri Sep-22-17 11:51 AM
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#55503, "RE: Carpathia bow"
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Look very closely at that photo -- do you see anything unusual about the ship's name and port of registry on her stern? They have been touched up by hand (what other way was there to do this in 1913?) in order to make letters stand out and be more legible. The job is very much neater than what was done to a few of Titanic's pre-launch photos, but I'm sure the intentions were the same!

Regards,
Scott Andrews
TRMA Trustee

  

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Ralph CurrellFri Sep-22-17 02:51 PM
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#55504, "RE: Carpathia bow"
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Hi Scott,

Yes indeed. And some of the highlights around the stern frame look like they have been touched up slightly.

Regards,
Ralph

  

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Morten JensenSat Sep-23-17 01:29 AM
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#55505, "RE: Carpathia bow"
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Ralph -

That is a great find! Thank you for sharing. There are two photos that is especially interresting here. One is of the forecastle showing much detail and a clearly white bulwark. The other one is showing the aft drckhouse on the promenade deck with the radio shack on top. While looking at a sign on the last picture I saw that the image was also flipped.

Regards,

- Morten

  

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Ralph CurrellSat Sep-23-17 05:01 AM
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#55507, "RE: Carpathia bow"
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Hi Morten,

I'm glad you found the photos helpful. You're right about the last image being flipped horizontally. I'm not sure whether the forecastle pic is flipped or not; for model-making purposes it may not matter.

Regards,
Ralph

  

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Ralph CurrellFri Sep-22-17 10:46 AM
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#55502, "More Carpathia photos"
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Hi Morten,

I found a few more photos, taken during the Titanic rescue voyage, from an auction held last year:
https://www.the-saleroom.com/en-gb/auction-catalogues/henry-aldridge-and-son/catalogue-id-srhenry10034/search-filter?pagesize=60&page=4

You'll have to scroll down to near the bottom of the page to see the Carpathia pics. Many of these are photo negatives, but most image viewing programs have a feature that lets you invert the image to make a positive.

The photo in Lot 234 is particularly interesting, showing much of the forecastle. The inside bulwark below those fairleads is definitely white, but the area right at the stem is harder to make out.

Regards,
Ralph

  

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