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Collapsible D 2.0Tue Oct-24-17 03:02 AM
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#55567, "Titanic collapsible D lifeboat model"


          

Hello!

We're from a school and we were asked to (by an American writer) build a real-size model of the Collapsible D Lifeboat on board of Titanic. We would love to share this experience with you and would love to get some help from you. If you have any ideas of what the Collapsible D lifeboats looked like (plans) with quantitative data (measurements). Even if you have any interesting stories about the lifeboat, please tell us, even a little bit of information will help us.
Thank you!!!

- Titanic Lifeboat Team

  

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RE: Titanic collapsible D lifeboat model, bpread, Oct 24th 2017, #1
RE: Titanic collapsible D lifeboat model, Art Braunschweiger, Oct 29th 2017, #2
      RE: Titanic collapsible D lifeboat model, bpread, Oct 29th 2017, #3
           RE: Titanic collapsible D lifeboat model, Collapsible D 2.0, Nov 21st 2017, #4
                RE: Titanic collapsible D lifeboat model, Collapsible D 2.0, Nov 21st 2017, #5
                     RE: Titanic collapsible D lifeboat model, Ralph Currell, Nov 21st 2017, #6
                          RE: Titanic collapsible D lifeboat model, Collapsible D 2.0, Nov 28th 2017, #7
                               RE: Titanic collapsible D lifeboat model, Ralph Currell, Nov 29th 2017, #8
                                    RE: Titanic collapsible D lifeboat model, Collapsible D 2.0, Dec 05th 2017, #9
                                         RE: Titanic collapsible D lifeboat model, Ralph Currell, Dec 05th 2017, #10

bpreadTue Oct-24-17 01:09 PM
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#55568, "RE: Titanic collapsible D lifeboat model"
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Why the anonymity? You are liable to get better results if you fill in the details like your names, the name of your school, and the name of this "American writer".
Regards
Bob Read

  

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Art BraunschweigerSun Oct-29-17 08:27 AM
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#55603, "RE: Titanic collapsible D lifeboat model"
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. . . or, in lieu of student names (since some schools and parents would not want them posted online) the name of the teacher supervising the project.

Art Braunschweiger
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bpreadSun Oct-29-17 04:48 PM
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#55612, "RE: Titanic collapsible D lifeboat model"
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I smell something fishy. What "American author" would commission students who know nothing about an Engelhardt collapsible to build a full size recreation? The National Maritime Museum in Cornwall is gong to do the same thing only with expert boat builders. I think this is a scam where somebody is trying to get some plans for free. Color me skeptical.
Regards
Bob Read

  

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Collapsible D 2.0Tue Nov-21-17 01:53 AM
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#55654, "RE: Titanic collapsible D lifeboat model"
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Hi Folks

I am Mark Trumpold who teaches at an International school in Beijing. My student is asking serious questions, as this is a legitimate project that our school is undertaking with the author. He wants to test ideas to write about. Our school often undertakes projects ranging from community service to things like this. We like to do 'real-world' projects.

It would be great if you guys could help the students out in some way.

Here you could check out the project
https://www.facebook.com/pg/thesixdocumentary/videos/?ref=page_internal

Thank you!

  

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Collapsible D 2.0Tue Nov-21-17 02:03 AM
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#55655, "RE: Titanic collapsible D lifeboat model"
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Furthermore, I went to the museums' website and they built a reproduction of the lifeboat 13, not the collapsible D.

  

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Ralph CurrellTue Nov-21-17 06:54 PM
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#55657, "RE: Titanic collapsible D lifeboat model"
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Hello Mark,

I regret I haven't time for more than a brief reply at the moment. There are no surviving original plans (that I know of) for the Titanic collapsibles, though there are drawings of similar boats.

The 1912 Wreck Commissioner's report gives the following dimensions that you may find helpful:

"4 Engelhardt collapsible boats, 27 ft. 5 in. long by 8 ft. broad by 3 ft. deep, with a cubic capacity of 376.6 cubic ft., constructed to carry 47 persons each."

I hope this helps some. I may have a bit more at a later date, but you'll probably have to rely largely on photos of the boats for your reconstruction.

Regards,
Ralph

  

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Collapsible D 2.0Tue Nov-28-17 01:35 AM
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#55668, "RE: Titanic collapsible D lifeboat model"
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Hello Ralph,

Thank you so much for helping us!! That information can be useful. Please get back to me if you find anything else.
Thank you again, we will make sure to give you some recognition for the project.

If everyone else has some information related to the collapsible D please share if you can

Thank you!!!!

-Collapsible D

  

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Ralph CurrellWed Nov-29-17 10:18 AM
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#55671, "RE: Titanic collapsible D lifeboat model"
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Hello,

I'm glad you found it helpful. Here's a couple of links to articles from the journal 'Schiffbau', one from 1904 and the other from 1913. They include descriptions, drawings and photographs of Engelhardt type boats.

babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015013759470;view=1up;seq=24
babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015080302998;view=1up;seq=888

The drawings accompanying the 1913 article are probably closest to the Titanic collapsibles, though not identical. An internet search for photos should bring up some good shots of the Titanic boats for comparison.

Note that the articles are in German, so you'll need to run them through Google Translate unless you know a German speaker. Also, the host site is set up to allow only viewers from the United States for these articles. If you're located elsewhere you may not be able to see them.

Regards,
Ralph

  

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Collapsible D 2.0Tue Dec-05-17 01:39 AM
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#55684, "RE: Titanic collapsible D lifeboat model"
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Hello Ralph,
Thank you so much for the information. I am sure it will be useful!! We will contact you again if we need further help. Thank you again!!

  

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Ralph CurrellTue Dec-05-17 08:44 AM
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#55685, "RE: Titanic collapsible D lifeboat model"
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Tue Dec-05-17 09:05 AMby Ralph Currell

          

Just following up on my previous post, a partial English translation of the German article can be found at http://titanic-model.com/db/db-01/db_02.html , along with additional photos.

Additionally, patent documents for Engelhardt collapsibles are available online as follows:
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19120502&CC=GB&NR=191112652A&KC=A#
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=45&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19130529&CC=GB&NR=191306449A&KC=A#

As with the other sources, the patent drawings may vary somewhat from the Titanic collapsibles, but should assist in understanding the design and construction.

Regards,
Ralph

  

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