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JasonFri Feb-02-18 07:37 AM
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#55784, "Oceanic (1899) White box Question"


  

          

Hi

I've noticed a white box on the wheelhouse of several vessels from the 1890s, and here is one on the Oceanic, just below the bell on the wheelhouse:



In front cross-section I'd say it were rectangular with rounded corners. There appears to be two or three knobs / controls protruding from the front side. Here's a similar one on Lucania's bridge:

http://prints.rmg.co.uk/art/501844/flying-bridge-on-the-lucania-1893

I'm currently making a working of Lucania and so I should be grateful for any information about this:

/Jason

  

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RE: Oceanic (1899) White box Question, bpread, Feb 02nd 2018, #1
RE: Oceanic (1899) White box Question, Jason, Feb 02nd 2018, #2
      RE: Oceanic (1899) White box Question, Ralph Currell, Feb 02nd 2018, #3
           RE: Oceanic (1899) White box Question, Bill West, Feb 02nd 2018, #4
           RE: Oceanic (1899) White box Question, bpread, Feb 02nd 2018, #5
           RE: Oceanic (1899) White box Question, Ralph Currell, Feb 02nd 2018, #6
           RE: Oceanic (1899) White box Question, Jason, Feb 03rd 2018, #7
                RE: Oceanic (1899) White box Question, Ralph Currell, Feb 04th 2018, #8

bpreadFri Feb-02-18 08:26 AM
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#55785, "RE: Oceanic (1899) White box Question"
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Hi Jason:
Strictly speculation but my guess would be a phone box.
Regards,
Bob Read

  

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JasonFri Feb-02-18 08:39 AM
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#55786, "RE: Oceanic (1899) White box Question"
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Fri Feb-02-18 08:41 AMby Jason

  

          

Hi Bob.

Thanks. That did cross my mind. I guess telephone technology was pretty well established by the 1890s.

If they are phone boxes then hopefully someone might have some more information about them, may be even a photograph.

/Jason

  

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Ralph CurrellFri Feb-02-18 10:13 AM
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#55787, "RE: Oceanic (1899) White box Question"
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Hi all,

I don't know for sure but the telephone I.D. seems likely. Here's a photo of Oceanic on entering service with at least two of them present. The shape of the front can be seen better here.



It looks similar, but not identical, to the Navyphone pattern 2466 ( http://www.dreadnoughtproject.org/tfs/index.php/Pattern_246X_Navyphones#Pattern_2466_Navyphone ).

Regards,
Ralph

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Bill WestFri Feb-02-18 01:46 PM
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#55788, "RE: Oceanic (1899) White box Question"
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That's a very good link Ralph. Clicking the word navyphone in the first sentence at the top of the page leads to a broader history and mentions that the 2466 first appeared with the Orion of 1910. Pursuing the older models leads to a round shape however. Nonetheless the mentions of weather exposure troubles with various phones makes me wonder if the 3 protrusions in your picture are simply 2 hinges and a knob on a cast door. In Jason's picture it may be background objects that are making it hard to decide on this.

Bill

  

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bpreadFri Feb-02-18 04:28 PM
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#55789, "RE: Oceanic (1899) White box Question"
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Just for reference, the Oceanic photo H297 was taken August 1899.

Regards,
Bob Read

  

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Ralph CurrellFri Feb-02-18 05:32 PM
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#55790, "RE: Oceanic (1899) White box Question"
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Hi Bill,

The two protrusions seem to be offset to one side, so they might indeed be hinges. If this was a standard Navy telephone we can hope to find other photos of it from a better angle.

Regards,
Ralph

  

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JasonSat Feb-03-18 04:47 AM
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#55792, "RE: Oceanic (1899) White box Question"
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Sat Feb-03-18 04:51 AMby Jason

  

          

Thanks once again Bob, Ralph and Bill. That's a great photograph Ralph. I have seen it once before but I was unable to find it again. In fact I'd been searching all over for it yesterday.

These certainly seem like telephones, probably manufactured by A. Graham & Co as the link suggests. That's a good starting point at least.

I'm not sure about those two protrusions being hinges though. When you view the object square on from the side, they seem to stick out too far. This is especially noticeable in the image of the one on the bridge of the Lucania. Also, notice that little cylindrical object under the storm rail just below the phone. A similar object can be seen in the oceanic photograph. I wonder if this is a traditional speaking tube?



Regards
Jason

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Ralph CurrellSun Feb-04-18 10:03 AM
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#55805, "RE: Oceanic (1899) White box Question"
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Hi Jason,

I can't see enough detail to guess if those are speaking tubes. In the case of the Campania a voice tube from the bridge to the captain's quarters two decks below would make sense.

Regards,
Ralph

  

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