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Art BraunschweigerMon Jul-25-05 05:59 AM
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#8240, "New thread - "Titanic- Birth of a Legend""


  

          

For anyone who did not see it, Discovery channel ran an hour-long show after the 9 pm Cameron show called "Titanic-Birth of a Legend". Although narrated, this was a film very much like Cameron's (in fact, indistinguishable from his footage in some places) which took the viewer from Titanic's genesis up through construction, launch, and maiden voyage. The film used Robert Welch, H&W's photographer, as a link to the past: throughout he was shown taking shots, after which they would intersperse a still view of the actual B&W photo.

This film had absolutely tremendous scenes of the gantry work, the construction, the launch, and more. The riveting scenes alone are worth watching, and the whole hour, minus narration, could have been added to the beginning of Cameron's original movie. If Cameron brought Titanic to life, this brings Harland & Wolff to life.

Discovery will be re-airing this on July 30 in the US, at 11 pm EST. I would highly recommend watching and taping this!


Regards,

Art Braunschweiger
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RE: New thread - "Titanic- Birth of a Legend", Robert (SETUP_GUEST_LABEL), Jul 25th 2005, #1
I agree, Bruce, Jul 25th 2005, #2
RE: I agree, J. Kent Layton, Jul 25th 2005, #3
      RE: I agree, JDavid, Jul 25th 2005, #4
           RE: I agree, DougM, Jul 25th 2005, #5
           Historical errors, Art Braunschweiger, Jul 25th 2005, #6
                RE: Historical errors, JDavid, Jul 25th 2005, #7
RE: New thread - "Titanic- Birth of a Legend", Nicholas, Jul 25th 2005, #8
RE: New thread - "Titanic- Birth of a Legend", Dilano (SETUP_GUEST_LABEL), Jul 25th 2005, #9
RE: New thread - "Titanic- Birth of a Legend", Art Braunschweiger, Jul 25th 2005, #10
      RE: New thread - "Titanic- Birth of a Legend", Phil Ciborowski, Jul 25th 2005, #11
      RE: New thread - "Titanic- Birth of a Legend" - commercials, Ron (SETUP_GUEST_LABEL), Jul 26th 2005, #13
      75min on German tv..., Olaf, Jul 26th 2005, #12
RE: New thread - "Titanic- Birth of a Legend", Marguerite Green (SETUP_GUEST_LABEL), Aug 01st 2005, #14
RE: New thread - "Titanic- Birth of a Legend", Robert (SETUP_GUEST_LABEL), Aug 01st 2005, #15
RE: New thread - "Titanic- Birth of a Legend", Art Braunschweiger, Aug 01st 2005, #16
RE: New thread - "Titanic- Birth of a Legend", Marguerite Green (SETUP_GUEST_LABEL), Aug 01st 2005, #17
      "Titanic- Birth of a Legend", Art Braunschweiger, Aug 01st 2005, #18
           RE: "Titanic- Birth of a Legend", Marguerite Green (SETUP_GUEST_LABEL), Aug 02nd 2005, #19
Did anyone videotape this?, Art Braunschweiger, Aug 02nd 2005, #20
      RE: Did anyone videotape this?, Robert (SETUP_GUEST_LABEL), Aug 02nd 2005, #21
      RE: Did anyone videotape this?, Phil Ciborowski, Aug 02nd 2005, #22
      RE: Did anyone videotape this?, gjpeckinpaugh, Aug 02nd 2005, #23
      RE: Did anyone videotape this?, Eric Huffstutler (SETUP_GUEST_LABEL), Sep 08th 2005, #26
      Thanks to all who responded., Art Braunschweiger, Aug 02nd 2005, #24
           RE: Thanks to all who responded., Raymond Legs, Aug 09th 2005, #25
The Birth of Titanic (2005), singer960, Apr 19th 2012, #27
Titanic- Birth of a Legend, cnr1993, Apr 19th 2012, #28
RE: Titanic- Birth of a Legend, singer960, Apr 21st 2012, #29
      RE: Titanic- Birth of a Legend, monkey95, Apr 21st 2012, #30
           RE: Titanic- Birth of a Legend, singer960, Apr 21st 2012, #31
           RE: Titanic- Birth of a Legend, singer960, Apr 21st 2012, #32
                RE: Titanic- Birth of a Legend, Marcel Johnpulle, Apr 23rd 2012, #33

Robert (SETUP_GUEST_LABEL)Mon Jul-25-05 10:41 AM

  
#8251, "RE: New thread - "Titanic- Birth of a Legend""
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I agree Art (in spite of my posted 'misgivings' regarding the accuracy of the 'computer-generated' Titanic and other mis-facts) ~ it does capture the feel of what it must have been like to work at a shipyard of the period, construction techniques, the 'competition and the pride' and the inevitable 'compromises' that needed to be made for the sake of 'business / profit'. It really could have formed the basis / background of a 'full length' movie. With abit more attention to detail, and less on dramatics for the sake of dramatics, it could have been a real 'show stopper'. Obviousely, the budget wasn't there to do more than what they did, which (with one eye closed and 'knowledge' placed in the back pocket for an hour) is still quite remarkable. I never seen that aspect of the story covered before ~ Robert

  

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BruceMon Jul-25-05 11:27 AM
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#8256, "I agree"
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Yes that Birth of a Legend was very well done.


Bruce
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"I must go down to the sea again, to the lonely sea and the sky,
And all I ask is a tall ship and a star to steer her by"

  

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J. Kent LaytonMon Jul-25-05 11:57 AM
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#8257, "RE: I agree"
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Agreed, Birth of A Legend was extremely well done. There were a few errors that crept in... Thomas Andrews was on the Olympic for her maiden voyage, not waiting for word of how it went back in Belfast, for example. They also portrayed the Titanic as looking far more like the completed Titanic, rather than her originally designed Olympic-ish look.

But it was, to me, one of the most enjoyable Titanic specials I have ever seen, quite simply because it was so unique.

Regards,
J. Kent Layton
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JDavidMon Jul-25-05 12:19 PM
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#8258, "RE: I agree"
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I really enjoyed that production. As Art said the recreation of the Arrol Gantry, the riviting process and all were excellent! I liked the parts that showed Titanic in it's various stages of completion and the launch sequence. Seeing Titanic with only two of her funnels painted and two black with workmen on deck was outstanding. Ignoring the glaring historical errors, this segment was the highlight of the evening. I could watch an entire production of that film over and over again. I wish they would complete it and do the same for Lusitania.

A very well done production, historical errors discounted!

Regards,

Jerry
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DougMMon Jul-25-05 01:19 PM
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#8263, "RE: I agree"
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I agree too. It looked awfully real. And did anyone notice the builders model in the offices during the recreation? I wonder if that was a real model or a computer generated one? I think they came quite close in many aspects.

If you want to know the truth, I liked the Birth of Titanic better than the movie Titanic. It caught me up in the whole feel of what it must have been like at that time. Very good graphics and realistic-looking factory scenes and dock scenes.

But, did anyone see once when it was either a drawing or the recreation of Titanic when her funnels looked red? Did anyone notice that one shot where they really appeared red?

Doug

  

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Art BraunschweigerMon Jul-25-05 01:25 PM
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#8264, "Historical errors"
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One thing to consider though, is that their budget was probably a fraction of Cameron's, and yet it yielded 45 minutes of film that was every bit as good as Cameron's. With this in mind, they deserve all the more credit for such an outstanding piece of work, technical errors aside. And to be fair, there were some details that were more accurate than Cameron's -- the lighting on the decks, for example, was very yellowed and subdued, instead of looking like the QM2 with arc lights.

And by the way, I thought the final scene with the descendants of the Guarantee Group was very moving - more than any other piece of documentary I've ever seen on Titanic.


Regards,

Art Braunschweiger
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JDavidMon Jul-25-05 02:39 PM
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#8274, "RE: Historical errors"
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I have to agree with you Art. It was a job well done. I plan on watching it again tonight, as I saved it in the hard drive of my DVD recorder. I think I will put it on a DVD for use at home so I can see it without commercials. I also concur on the last scene. Seeing the descendents of those gentlemen was very moving.

Regards,

Jerry
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NicholasMon Jul-25-05 03:59 PM
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#8275, "RE: New thread - "Titanic- Birth of a Legend""
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Overhere,(Europe), the show was aired I think a week or 8/9 ago and it lasted for 75 minutes. When I say 75 min. I mean 75 min. There were no commercials in between, and was aired on the ZDF (Zweite Deutsche Fernsehen)in Germany. I only hope Mr. Cameron will include the whole production on his forthcoming DVD. I agree it was absolutely fantastic.
Kind regards, Nicholas

  

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Dilano (SETUP_GUEST_LABEL)Mon Jul-25-05 04:52 PM

  
#8278, "RE: New thread - "Titanic- Birth of a Legend""
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Does anybody know when Discovery will air both specials again (in Canada)? I was not able to view them, and seeing as how they have gotten such good reviews here on the site, i would like to see it.

Dilano

  

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Art BraunschweigerMon Jul-25-05 06:05 PM
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#8280, "RE: New thread - "Titanic- Birth of a Legend""
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Danke, Nicholas!

Aber, 75 minuten? Was haben wir hier nicht gesehen? (Und war alles en englisch, oder deutsch?)

tschuss,

Art Braunschweiger



Translation: Thanks, Nicholas! But, 75 minutes? What didn't we see here? (And was everything in English, or German?)

Regards, Art


  

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#8282, "RE: New thread - "Titanic- Birth of a Legend""
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wow, with the commercials cut out the show last night ran just under 44 minutes.

I taped all 3 of the programs and did some on the fly editing (with the pause button) and wound up with over 2 1/2 hours of programing for a 5 hour time slot.


it still was a good night of TV tho

  

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Ron (SETUP_GUEST_LABEL)Tue Jul-26-05 05:25 AM

  
#8289, "RE: New thread - "Titanic- Birth of a Legend" - commercials"
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Hello,

I didn't think I was imagining things when it felt like I saw 5 minutes of the program followed by 5 minutes of idiotic commercials.

There was a disgustingly large number of them on that program.

Regards,
Ron

  

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OlafTue Jul-26-05 05:01 AM
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#8288, "75min on German tv..."
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Hi Art ~ yep, Nicholas is right, I saw that and taped it. I think the one you (all) have seen was a cropped down version to fit in between (maybe?) the other shows. I think we're talking about the same documentation - the one I mentioned in one of my emails to you (May, 16th,..: A few days ago I saw a documentary on German TV
about the construction of the Titanic and the overall situation in Belfast
and of a few persons who had been (somehow) involved in building the Olympic
and Titanic. Lots of computer-generated images of the Arrol gantry and - of
course - the ships. The programmers opted for a browner funnel colour and it
looked great. On the other hand there were some minor inaccuracies like
white painted lower well deck bulkheads or planked bridge roof and the like
(not to forget the 'Ismay screens' visible although the ship still under the
Arrol gantry.)) That would 'fit' to the 8/9 week 'time window' mentioned by Nicholas.
Cheers ~ Olaf

  

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Marguerite Green (SETUP_GUEST_LABEL)Mon Aug-01-05 03:53 AM

  
#8393, "RE: New thread - "Titanic- Birth of a Legend""
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Dear Mr. Braunschweiger,
Please, please tell me how I can purchase a copy of the wonderful "Titanic--Birth of a Legend" preferably DVD format.
I was so excited to see it on the Discovery Channel this weekend. You see, my mother always related the fact that two of her brothers, Thomas and Daniel Martin, were workers in the Harland and Wolff shipyard when the Titanic was built!! I called my cousin Kathleen Martin to ask her brother Dan if he recalled anything his Dad told him about it all. Kathleen said that her Dad had told Dan (Jr) that he was a "journeyman plumber" in the shipyard and had been asked to be on the ship's crew, but refused because he was married to my Aunt Annie and they had planned to come to America instead. So he was saved from the tragedy of the other eight workmen. My mother who was almost 12 years old when the Titanic sank said she recalled the newsboys running through the streets of Belfast announcing the dreadful event.
Now, I have to get in touch with my cousin Thomas (Jr) to find out what he heard from his own father. Both of my Uncles Dan and Tommy came to America, landing in Philadelphia I think, and continued fine careers in residential and commercial plumbing. When I was a little girl, the Martin families sometimes visited us on our NJ dairy farm during the Great Depression and WWII, as well as the families of some of my mother's other siblings, seven of whom emigrated to America. One, Aunt Mary, remained in Ireland, and one, Uncle Owen, emigrated to England.
Could you tell me the cost of TWO DVDs of "Titanic--Birth of a Legend" plus shipping? I'd love to send copies to my first cousins Kathleen and Thomas (Jr). Thank you for helping me in this search.
P.s. I also have an e-mail:
mgihm@hotmail.com" target="_blank">smgihm@hotmail.com
if you can respond to me with both addresses. I most often read the hotmail address.
I do not have a credit card, but if you would accept a check from the bank of our religious order, I could pay you that way. I often pay by US Postal money order, but if you're not in the USA, I don't know if the USPS MO can be cashed outside the US.
Gratefully,
Sr. Marguerite Green
IHM Center
2300 Adams Ave
Scranton, PA 18509
USA

P.s. I was not able to videotape the program when it was broadcast as you suggested.

  

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Robert (SETUP_GUEST_LABEL)Mon Aug-01-05 04:40 AM

  
#8394, "RE: New thread - "Titanic- Birth of a Legend""
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Hello All ~ Well, it didn't take long! I just checked 'Discovery Channel' on-line. The 'gift store' is already offering 'The Last Mysteries' on DVD (available for shipment in September). No mention of the availability of 'Titanic / Birth of a Legend', thus I suspect it is not (at least not from DC)at this time ~ Robert

  

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Art BraunschweigerMon Aug-01-05 04:55 AM
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#8395, "RE: New thread - "Titanic- Birth of a Legend""
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Dear Sister Marguerite,

Yours is an absolutely fascinating story and I'll be glad to help if I can. Unfortunately Discovery Channel does not market all its shows on DVD.

If anyone reading this would be willing to send me a copy of Birth of a Legend on VHS, then I will take care of copying it onto two DVDs and send them to you.

Is there anyone reading this that would be willing to help? If so, I will pay for the cost of the videotape and the postage to me (in New Jersey.)


Regards,

Art Braunschweiger
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Marguerite Green (SETUP_GUEST_LABEL)Mon Aug-01-05 10:35 AM

  
#8403, "RE: New thread - "Titanic- Birth of a Legend""
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Dear Mr. Braunschweiger:
THANK YOU!! for trying to help me ...  After I wrote you a
letter I looked through the website and discovered that you
live in Bridgewater NJ.  I'm not 100% sure of the location,
but might it be in the south Jersey area??  Our family farm
of decades ago was lost to debt (and too much hard work!) in
the Burlington Co. area.  My cousin Kathleen who has a DVD on
her TV lives in Delran NJ and my cousin Tom lives in Pocomoke
City MD.  
Yes, I also looked on the Discovery Channel but did not see
the program available.  But I do have some funds available
that I could use to pay for the DVDs if you could just get a
copy of the VHS version to convert.  God bless your
thoughtfulness.  
By the way, might this TRMA website be a good place to find
out WHO worked in the shipyards??   (I am not a maker of
model ships but I do admire them when I see them in museums
or stores in the Jersey shore area.  (I have a brother Robert
who mainly lives in Beach Haven, but also has a small home in
Mount Holly NJ))   I'd just like to see my Uncles' names on a
list of workers and maybe even see snapshots of them if ever
they were identified.  
I will continue to browse this website to read more about the
Titanic.  
Very gratefully,  Sr. Marguerite

  

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Art BraunschweigerMon Aug-01-05 11:18 AM
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#8405, ""Titanic- Birth of a Legend""
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Dear Sister Marguerite -

Unfortunately, there are no resources on this website regarding the H&W work force itself. I do not know where, if at all, such a list might be found.

In the meantime, I would like to recommend a book you would certainly be interested in. It is called "The Birth of the Titanic", by Michael McCaughan. Originally published in Ireland, it makes extensive use of original Harland & Wolff photographs and (rare for a book of this type) also includes a handful of photographs of rural Ireland in the Belfast area from the time. It is one of the most fascinating and enjoyable Titanic books I have ever read, and well worth the search for a copy. It is written for the layperson, and makes for easy reading.

It was published in North America in 1998 by McGill-Queen's University Press in Ithaca, NY, and Montreal, Canada. Other than the traditional on-line sources for new books, you might also try www.alibris.com and www.abebooks.com for a new "used" copy.


Regards,

Art Braunschweiger
TRMA Trustee

  

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Marguerite Green (SETUP_GUEST_LABEL)Tue Aug-02-05 03:15 AM

  
#8416, "RE: "Titanic- Birth of a Legend""
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Thank you, Mr. Braunschweiger, for the info about the book. Since Scranton PA has many people of Irish descent, I think I might be able to prevail upon the public library or the Univ. of Scranton or Marywood U to get the book. Then maybe down the line, invest in it for a younger cousin who plans to visit Ireland in June 2006 ...
Have a good day! SMG

  

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Art BraunschweigerTue Aug-02-05 07:17 AM
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#8418, "Did anyone videotape this?"
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Did anyone videotape this who would be willing to send me a copy on VHS? I will pay for the cost of the tape and the postage up front. You can reply through the TRMA email or to my personal email if you don't wish to post your reply on the forum.


Thanks,

Art Braunschweiger
TRMA Trustee

  

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Robert (SETUP_GUEST_LABEL)Tue Aug-02-05 08:53 AM

  
#8420, "RE: Did anyone videotape this?"
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I have ~ commercials are 'not-completely' edited, however all is there. If you cannot find someone closer to you (re: the States) who is willing to share let me know and we'll make arrangements ~ Robert (Canada)

  

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#8425, "RE: Did anyone videotape this?"
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>Did anyone videotape this who would be willing to send me a
>copy on VHS? I will pay for the cost of the tape and the
>postage up front. You can reply through the TRMA email or to
>my personal email if you don't wish to post your reply on the
>forum.
>
>
>Thanks,
>
>Art Braunschweiger
>TRMA Trustee


I have it taped but its only the hour long show that was shown in the US.

It also is in between the other 2 programs that were on that night.

I dont have any means of copying the program but if you can do it ill send the tape over

  

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#8426, "RE: Did anyone videotape this?"
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>Did anyone videotape this who would be willing to send me a
>copy on VHS? I will pay for the cost of the tape and the
>postage up front. You can reply through the TRMA email or to
>my personal email if you don't wish to post your reply on the
>forum.
>
>
>Thanks,
>
>Art Braunschweiger
>TRMA Trustee


I recorded the program "Birth of Titanic" ,and would be more than happy to send a copy to you if you don't have one on the way already. I am in the process of transfering to DVD and editing commercials. Would you like "Last Mysteries" as well?? I can send VHS or DVD-R.

Greg

  

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Eric Huffstutler (SETUP_GUEST_LABEL)Thu Sep-08-05 11:37 AM

  
#9192, "RE: Did anyone videotape this?"
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Greg

Someone sent me a DVD-R copy that was captured using Tivo but the transfer was awful. So much pixelation that is was hard to watch. Is your taped version being edited to DVD any better? I would also love a copy if so! Please let me know.

PS, "Titanic: Birth of a Legend" was done by a British company for one of their network channels. Discovery told me that not all programs make it to DVD because there are many done for them but the rights held by a different company. Unless that company releases it, we won't see it through Discovery so a dub will be about our only bet for now.

Eric Huffstutler
Richmond, VA
web-czar @ rcn.com
(remove spaces on either side of the @ above before sending mail)

  

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Art BraunschweigerTue Aug-02-05 07:26 PM
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#8428, "Thanks to all who responded."
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Thanks much for your responses -

Greg & Phil, please see your email thru TRMA. (Robert, I don't have yours, but I think I'm covered. Appreciate the offer!)


Regards,

Art Braunschweiger
TRMA Trustee

  

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Raymond LegsTue Aug-09-05 03:51 PM
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#8581, "RE: Thanks to all who responded."
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I think I might Need a DVD R copy if possible
if not I'll take VHS.

Raymond Leggs

  

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singer960Thu Apr-19-12 08:09 PM
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#46153, "The Birth of Titanic (2005)"
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I bought the recent 100 years Titanic dvd, but The Birth of Titanic wasn't on it. I found the video on u-tube. Does anyone sell it on DVD or video?

  

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cnr1993Thu Apr-19-12 09:13 PM
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#46155, "Titanic- Birth of a Legend"
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Thu Apr-19-12 09:14 PMby cnr1993

          

It's on youtube for now...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dc1FSbM6RKw

  

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singer960Sat Apr-21-12 12:14 PM
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#46183, "RE: Titanic- Birth of a Legend"
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Thanks. I saw the version on u-tube and loved it. Is there any way to record it from u-tube or buy it from a vendor?

  

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monkey95Sat Apr-21-12 03:46 PM
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#46187, "RE: Titanic- Birth of a Legend"
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>Thanks. I saw the version on u-tube and loved it. Is there
>any way to record it from u-tube or buy it from a vendor?

Google 'Youtube Downloader' - you can get something which will save off Youtube onto your computer.

Yes that documentary was very good - with quite a lot about the political context in Belfast re the divide over Irish home rule or union with Britain. Though it was marred a bit by obvious errors in the computer models.

John H

  

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#46189, "RE: Titanic- Birth of a Legend"
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Thanks for advice. Worked like a charm.

  

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Thanks for advice. Worked like a charm.

  

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Marcel JohnpulleMon Apr-23-12 06:19 AM
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#46222, "RE: Titanic- Birth of a Legend"
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Another program you guys can use to download youtube vids is "savevid"...works very easily and you can download in various formats. You will need a java plug in though, so make sure its up to date. I've downloaded all the youtube documentaries on Titanic now, and will start compiling them on dvds presently.

Regards,

Marcel Johnpulle
(formally "wolfgangelessar")

"Till the spinner of the years said Now!
And each one hears,
And consummation comes, and jars two hemispheres"--The Convergences of the Twain

  

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