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chrishoffertSun Feb-03-08 05:33 AM
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#805, "Chris Hoffert, 1/350 Minicraft Titanic Wreck (1986 Version)"
Sun Feb-03-08 07:13 AMby chrishoffert

  

          

I have begun construction of the sunken version of the Titanic using pieces from 6 complete kits. For the model I am using the 1/350 Minicraft (Deluxe Edition) and the other kits are for spare pieces and extra construction material for decks. I will post pictures as I go and explain what it is I am doing. I have not done this kind of work for some time so I am still catching up on old rusty skills so please don't be to harsh on me.

These are from the initial hullwork where I thinned the plastic with a dremel and proceeded to cut the hull in the approximate areas of damage and tears. I realize that on the port side the "flap" of hull is not there but you'll see later that I bent it and reinstalled it to better represent the damage to that area. I predrilled all the portholes because once I start the corrosion and texturing phase some will be completely covered up and are easier to redrill.








This is the first stage of "corrosion and texturing". I mixed flour and water to a semi-solid state and using a mini paint roller went up and down the lengths of the model to resemble the "rust lines" on the real ship. You'll note that I had already painted the hull with vibrant colors. This helps the "homemade resin" stick and later in the weathering phase helps keep some of the original color visible. I started with regular flat brown because of it's orange tint then applied some greens over the top of that. Then I applied a darker shade of brown over that. I over sprayed the model initially with red brown spray then finished with a darker brown to add age. The last stage will be to go over it with "rust" color and a paint brush to add the final touch of weathering. As you can see a lot of the portholes get covered up but since they are drilled the "resin" soaks in and leaves an indention so I can easily pinpoint the holes to drill.










This is the second stage of hull "Corrosion and Texturing". I have already bent the model to Approx 15 degrees forward and right. I used my dremel and thinned out all the plastic down the expansion joint till it was paper thin about an inch fore and aft of the joint line. I removed 1/2 inch of the lower hull, bent, then glued the lower half back together. This produced some nice bends and buckles but be careful or the plastic will break. I redrilled all the portholes once again and put the "flap" on the port side back into it's hole slightly bent and ajar which is more accurate then just elaving it hanging out. The first stage of rusticles are begining. I used clear drying caulking then molded them with an exacto knife. There is another way you can do this using a toothpick but I find that molding and cutting using my exacto is better. I cut to much space for the expansion joint so when it bent was much lartger then I wanted it to be so I cleaned the area up and installed a tinfoil patch and recut windows and portholes. I drilled out the anchor holes and installed them as well. With all my extras I constructed the starboard tear decking that is visble and extended the grandstair case shaft down to E-deck as it is in real life. I used extra walls from the other kits for spacing. I installed B-deck as this is the only whole deck that will be there so I hadt to glue it, let it dry, bend it, and glue the rest of it. Everything else is seperated at the expansion.











This is just an example of the rusticles. Most of the boat deck rusticles where there is massive damage like the fallen wings and the collapsed officer's quarters I used regular modeling putty because I won't worry about it getting broke off. Anything exterior is the clear caulking. If you look just below the promenade you'll see how effective the "homemade resin" looks. It's a very cheap method.






I Started working on the boat deck forward of the expansion joint and forecastle deck. I am slowly scratch builing some walls and dividers for the officers quarters and destroyed wheel house area. I'm waiting for a shipment of railroad scenery textures to come in so I can start applying the "silt" that litters the wreck so I have to be careful not to install anything that will need this treatment so my decks are still apart. I figured the forward boat deck would be ok though as most of it is closed off. It's tough making this plastic due what I want but slowly it's coming around. I started the first stage of rusticles to the boat deck area and will continue this process until it is a "rusted out S$!%box". I'm also waiting for my photetched detals to come in so when that does I'm gonna replace the windows on the officers quarters and B Deck rooms. The cranes will also get installed at this time. The C- Deck portholes are not yet drilled. The flash on the camera makes the white look way more white then it is. The white is mostly shades of orange now just inc ase someone is wondering.













This is the point I am at right now 2:30 in the morning on the 3rd of February. The forecostle and boat deck are just being fitted. Th4e forecastle has a couple more stages of weathering to match the rest of the hull. I like the coloring of these phot because you can see the real colors and not reflections. Still more work to do yay. I will continue to post as work progresses. If anyone has any questions or comments feel free to post. Like i said before am very rusty so please don't judge to hard. Just wait my next prject is to build a 2 different dioramas of the ship sinking. I still haven't decided what stage in the sinking to build just yet but if I get ballsy enough one will be the "break up". Anyways am off to bed.















  

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RE: Chris Hoffert, 1/350 Minicraft Titanic Wreck (1986 Version), Morten Jensen, Feb 03rd 2008, #1
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Morten JensenSun Feb-03-08 05:51 AM
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#806, "RE: Chris Hoffert, 1/350 Minicraft Titanic Wreck (1986 Version)"
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That will be a fine looking model! Nice pictures. Will you ass any PE parts?

Regards,

- Morten

  

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chrishoffertSun Feb-03-08 05:58 AM
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#807, "RE: Chris Hoffert, 1/350 Minicraft Titanic Wreck (1986 Version)"
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Mon Feb-04-08 06:29 AMby TRMA

  

          

I got all PE parts kits coming (Benches, super detail set, etc..)mostly for the dioramas but I got a couple extra I'm gonna put on this model to add just a little more detail. But thanks for the compliment. The stern is going to be fun and I am not looking forward to it. The last time I built a sunken Titanic model was out of cereal box cardboard when I was in highschool 8 years ago and I remember how much detail I put into that thing and I especially remember how much I wanted to be the Hulk and just crush it. I was thinking about scratchbuilding an Alvin and JJ ROV and arrange it like this Ken Marschall painting. What do you think?

(image removed as it is copyrighted to the owner/artist)(TRMA)

  

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Morten JensenSun Feb-03-08 10:23 AM
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#809, "RE: Chris Hoffert, 1/350 Minicraft Titanic Wreck (1986 Version)"
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I would go for the Alvin. Personally I am going to add a Mir and a ROV for my 1/144 wreck witch I am building.

Regards,

- Morten

  

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chrishoffertSun Feb-03-08 04:22 PM
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#810, "RE: Chris Hoffert, 1/350 Minicraft Titanic Wreck (1986 Version)"
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Ok started working on the aft boat deck, Grand Staircase Foyer, and Gymnasium.















  

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JonathanMon Feb-04-08 06:31 AM
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#812, "RE: Chris Hoffert, 1/350 Minicraft Titanic Wreck (1986 Version)"
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Sorry Chris, but I have had to remove your image of the Titanic wreck painting as this is copyrighted to the artist.

Jonathan

  

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Murdoch87Mon Feb-04-08 11:38 AM
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#813, "RE: Chris Hoffert, 1/350 Minicraft Titanic Wreck (1986 Version)"
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Mon Feb-04-08 11:47 AMby Murdoch87

          

say that is good.you plan to do the stern? It looks like you are useing the same techniques that Roy Mengot used. i plan to do a model of the wreck. Im might go with Alvin or Nautile or even Argo but im most likely to do Alvin. Another problem im having is which kit to use i might go with the accademy but i will love to use the minicraft.

  

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chrishoffertMon Feb-04-08 05:32 PM
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#814, "RE: Chris Hoffert, 1/350 Minicraft Titanic Wreck (1986 Version)"
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Tue Feb-05-08 08:24 AMby chrishoffert

  

          

the academy models are good for spare parts but lack some fine details that would be otherwise hard to scratchbuild for example the crew skylight on the forecastle where as the Minicraft delux version has most of those items fixed and alll you have to do is some tune up work here and there on things I'll take some pictures of the finer details they fixed with this kit. But I would totally recomend the minicraft delux version as your base model and then by 2 or 3 of the academy models for your extra parts. I have 2 extra Minicrafts I'm saving for my dioramas to follow this project. By the way Roy was my hero growing up for this kind of work so I adapted some of his techniques and developed some of my own through trial and error. If you need any help or have any further questions feel free I'm always happy to lend a helping hand. By the way I got my photoetched details today yay and here is an example of why I love PE parts so much! I created the steam valve pipe handles from extra capston covers, made the shanks from stretched sprue, then drilled both the PE parts and deck to fit. I also cut the rectangular opening between the anchor chains. I have more detailing I am going to do to this area just wanted you guys to see how I get real creative with things.













  

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Rory SmithMon Mar-03-08 06:27 AM
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#954, "RE: Chris Hoffert, 1/350 Minicraft Titanic Wreck (1986 Version)"
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Hey Chris,

I thought about the submersible addition also. I have two "Le Suroit Titanic Searcher" models and both come with an Ifremer submersible. I have an extra one and thought about installing fiber optics on it (would be a bit difficult though). The only problem is the Le Surouit kit is 1:200 scale, but I think it would be close enough . You may want to look into it. There may be a picture of it on my other thread on building the Le Suroit model. I need to get back to that and do some more.

Rory

  

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chrishoffertWed Feb-06-08 03:06 AM
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#819, "RE: Chris Hoffert, 1/350 Minicraft Titanic Wreck (1986 Version)"
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Ok I am hashing Out some of the finer details now. I'm slowly working my way from front to rear on the forecastle deck. I've started detailing the well deck cranes, and I am starting the finish work on the forward wheelhouse area. I ams aving some of the details for that last such as the davits and telegraphs that are lodged in the wreckage as they are PE parts and not as sturdy as plastic. The pain sceme seems to work well and mostly all that is left is to start rust coloring most of the hull and some of the upper deck areas as they progress. Soon I'll get to finishing the aft boat deck and then eventually start working on the break.
Here's the forecastle details. The steam valves are in place and painted as well as the capstons and mooring points. I installed the front grate and need to scratchbuild the "Jack Rose" fitting then weather.








This is the wheelhouse and forward boat deck. It is almost finished. Mostly just tieing up loose ends as far as painting go and one more round of rusting and I think it will be ok. SOme of the finer details will get installed later.
This is the initial weathering.






This is the 2nd to last stage of weathering *note the windows are installed. I had to guess as to some of the position of the windows due to lack of information and pictures of those areas so if they are incorrect then oh well. I spent near an hour working with the PE parts to produce that.










This is the begining stages of the well deck details.


  

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JonathanThu Feb-07-08 01:51 AM
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#821, "RE: Chris Hoffert, 1/350 Minicraft Titanic Wreck (1986 Version)"
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That's coming along nicely.

Jonathan

  

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#824, "RE: Chris Hoffert, 1/350 Minicraft Titanic Wreck (1986 Version)"
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Keep up the good wrok im looking forward on see more photos of the model in progress. Hey you should make a whole sea bed base to put both the bow and stern. I saw a wreck model of the Battleship Yamato where made a whole sea floor and the ship like Titanic was broken in two i also saw a model of Titanic's wreckage on the discovery channel that was awesome. Have you made Titanic as she once was and do You plan to make any of the sister Ships? i just hope im not asking to manny questions

  

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chrishoffertThu Feb-07-08 07:46 PM
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#825, "RE: Chris Hoffert, 1/350 Minicraft Titanic Wreck (1986 Version)"
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By all means ask away, that's why we're here right? To help teach through knowledge and visual displays and to learn some things that we once did not know. I will continue to update this as major areas are worked on. I have not yet decided what to make for the base just yet. The problem at my house is shelving space. So I will make a determination closer to completion of the project. Oh yeah if you need good pictures and information on the wreck check out the Titanic Commutar magazine by www.titanichistoricalorg. I got three editions volume 27 that document jame's cameron's exploration of the wreck with previously unreleased images of the wreck and detailed images of interior parts for those putting extremely fine details into their models I would so recomend. They talk about everything related to titanic so if you are doing work for a specific project and time period of the life of titanic these got the info. I'm not planning on doing any of Titanic's sister ships. I love Titanic because the story behind. All her sister ships lack that luster that I have for Titanic so prob won't do any of them. I am planning to build a diorama of the sinking though but want to finish this project before laying those palns. I appreciate your interest and comments.

  

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#827, "RE: Chris Hoffert, 1/350 Minicraft Titanic Wreck (1986 Version)"
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You know scence you making Titanic as she was in 1986 Maybe you should add Alvin and JJ. I plan to make a model od JJ. After i herd what happened to the ROV In 1991 which was really sad that was one cute floating eyeball. I plan to do the wreck as well but it won't be until summer if i do it right now im doing Titanic as she was in raise the Titanic and doing Britannic and Yamato. I have to agree with you none of the sisters had the luster that Titanic had but i still think they were awesome as well.

  

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chrishoffertSat Feb-09-08 03:37 PM
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#831, "RE: Chris Hoffert, 1/350 Minicraft Titanic Wreck (1986 Version)"
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Ok so I've been working the paint sceme a little more and wanted to show you how it's turning out. I'm constructing the lifeboat davits right now and will install later. I'm also working ont he raised lounge roof area. I added more rusticles to the officers qaurters area and wheelhouse and painted them. All I have left for the rusting is to add a touch of dark brown over the rusticles so that they are two tone. I also wanted to show you some of the finer details I am putting into this kit.









Oh yeah guess what I finally broke her back. The fun is about to begin I have to scratch build all the aft decks. It probably won't prove to be to difficult since I won't have to worry about much more then painting the right areas. I am slightly concerned about the building the boiler room but in the end it will happen. I'm gonna save the break section til I have some good ideas and start to make it happen. Anyways chew on these latest pics for a while.













An update for this paerticular post. All the davits are complete and in place except the davit for boat #8. I started building the grand staircase from bottom up. I installed the raised lounge roof and cut deck at approx break location. I built the crow's nest and am fitting the mast though it will be a little while before I actually install it. The cranes are almost complete and ready to install. I am still working the little details. It seems there is not never enough detail. I keep looking at pictures and seeing something else I need to put in. P.S. The photoetched life boat davits are such a pain in the butt to put together I wanted to slit my wrists.







I'd like to thank James Cameron for his in depth exploration of the grand staircase lower decks because I never knew that these were down there. Sadly no other remains of the staircase have been found.






























  

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#832, "RE: Chris Hoffert, 1/350 Minicraft Titanic Wreck (1986 Version)"
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whoh! You are doing a great job i have so got to do one of these.

  

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#834, "RE: Chris Hoffert, 1/350 Minicraft Titanic Wreck (1986 Version)"
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Thanks again though I wish I could go back I would have done some things in a different order bu overall I am pleased. So I recomend that you plan what you want to do first and go from there. BTW I have decided how to handle the break area. I precut some decks to fill the void using leftover deck parts from my other kits so that will work fine and I will just scratch build some dividers. I am going to saw the hull off 3" forward of the break and mold a tinfoil patch of that area. It will allow me to work with the hull sides at the break easier. I will post some pics when I get more involved.

  

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#837, "RE: Chris Hoffert, 1/350 Minicraft Titanic Wreck (1986 Version)"
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May i ask you a rather stupid question im not pround in asking this but i must is tin foal diffrent then aluminum? Pardon any spelling errors

  

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#838, "RE: Chris Hoffert, 1/350 Minicraft Titanic Wreck (1986 Version)"
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It is "Heavy Duty Aluminum Foil" or at least that is what it says on the box.

  

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#840, "RE: Chris Hoffert, 1/350 Minicraft Titanic Wreck (1986 Version)"
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Just gining you some pics with some finer detailing work complete. Will give you guys a better run down later.































  

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#841, "RE: Chris Hoffert, 1/350 Minicraft Titanic Wreck (1986 Version)"
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Ok I have installed the forecastle and forward boat deck. I have also been adding loads of details to these areas. The aft boat deck and A deck have been assembled minus the promenade sides. The railings for the forecastle have been installed and painted. It's finally starting to look like something. I also got a new Canon Rebel XTI camera so chew on these mood photos I shot using manual settings. I post some cleaner brighter ones later when I get some more work done. I'm really taking my time on the break area. I think I'll save that one till last.













  

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#842, "RE: Chris Hoffert, 1/350 Minicraft Titanic Wreck (1986 Version)"
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With what product you finisch bridges and the forecastle ?

eric

  

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#843, "RE: Chris Hoffert, 1/350 Minicraft Titanic Wreck (1986 Version)"
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Not exactly sure what you mean but if youa re refering to what I used to texture it with I used regular modeler's putty and a fat paint brush then patted it down into a sandy finish, then paint.

  

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#844, "RE: Chris Hoffert, 1/350 Minicraft Titanic Wreck (1986 Version)"
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nice model and exelent craftsmanship.
i think the kits decks work perfectly with the wreck, the reason i say this is because the texture of the deck (even though all the pine is eaten away) fits perfectly with the wreck because the culking still remains in some of the deck areas. you can see this if you look closely at the wreck photos. i dont normally see "out of the kit" wreck models as good as this. i look forward to seeing the boilers and the break up area.

  

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#845, "RE: Chris Hoffert, 1/350 Minicraft Titanic Wreck (1986 Version)"
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Hey I really appreciate all the compliments though I will be honest I began this project sort of winging it. It's my first major model I've done in several years. I'm still mulling over the break area. I got the decks made and am texturing them but still figuring out out to build the boiler room. I think I might get some clay and mold the boilers from them. That'll allow me to be a bit more precise with scale and I can also cut the furnace openingings into them. I figure that out later right now I am putting the details into the upper superstructure.

  

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#846, "RE: Chris Hoffert, 1/350 Minicraft Titanic Wreck (1986 Version)"
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thanks for anwering my questions and you model is coming in awesome! I can't wait to see it done!

  

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#850, "RE: Chris Hoffert, 1/350 Minicraft Titanic Wreck (1986 Version)"
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Dude that's what we are here for. No worries.

  

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#851, "RE: Chris Hoffert, 1/350 Minicraft Titanic Wreck (1986 Version)"
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Ok sorry it has been a few days since I posted some pics so here are some of the latest. The promenade sides are installed on the aft Boat deck, weathered, and painted. I have installed the final lifeboat davit. I have installed the Forward mast. I have completed the aft decks, weathered and painted them. I think that I am going to put tinfoil dividers as per deck plans for those areas then crush them and paint, then it will be more releastic. The lower grandstaircase shaft is complete just need to install the(brain fart here) the damn pole things between the decks. I feel like an idiot. So here you go.























  

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#853, "RE: Chris Hoffert, 1/350 Minicraft Titanic Wreck (1986 Version)"
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man that is a cool job man. i bet tou were using some of the accdemy parts in some of those images.

  

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#857, "RE: Chris Hoffert, 1/350 Minicraft Titanic Wreck (1986 Version)"
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I am using whatever means I have to make things as fairly accurate as I can.

  

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#859, "RE: Chris Hoffert, 1/350 Minicraft Titanic Wreck (1986 Version)"
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may i make a sugestion? if you can fins the right size of wooden dowl rods you can use for the boilors.. I am really imprest on how the bow is coming.

  

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#860, "RE: Chris Hoffert, 1/350 Minicraft Titanic Wreck (1986 Version)"
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Thanks for the suggestion I thought about that as I was passing home depot today so guess what? A few days and I should have the boiler room complete. "Ha Ha the day is mine Trebek" hopefully within 2 weeks I should be complete with the bow then the stern oh god what have I gotten myself into.

  

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#861, "RE: Chris Hoffert, 1/350 Minicraft Titanic Wreck (1986 Version)"
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Yah the stern might not be fun. the stern looks like it got hit with a atom bomb.

  

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#862, "RE: Chris Hoffert, 1/350 Minicraft Titanic Wreck (1986 Version)"
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This is just for you Murdoch cause I like ya. For 1/350 scale 1/2" dowel by 11/16" long with some creativity, with extra PE parts, 7/64" drill bit, and one ball point pen. You are the super glue that bonds my PE parts together. Sorry that sounded a little gay. LOL. These are the baselines I have more detail I have to put into them but you can see how fairly accurate you can be with just a little imagination.







Ok Have spent about the last 3 hours painting and detailing the exterior surfaces of the hull and superstructure and my neck hurts like hell. I went so far as to paint the inside of all the portholes and window frames rust. I painted all the rusticles and did some detail painting around the bends, tears, decks, and railings. Here you go enjoy.























  

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#864, "RE: Chris Hoffert, 1/350 Minicraft Titanic Wreck (1986 Version)"
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How long have you been working on this model for? I've been working on my 1/570 wreck for 2 months now, it should be complete, but I end up getting sidetracked by my girlfriend and cut my finger to the bone with a razor cutting open the Grand Stair Case.

Kevin

  

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#865, "RE: Chris Hoffert, 1/350 Minicraft Titanic Wreck (1986 Version)"
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I been working off and on for about 3 weeks now.

  

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#866, "RE: Chris Hoffert, 1/350 Minicraft Titanic Wreck (1986 Version)"
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Thanks pal. You are doing a great job it just gets better and better. Are planning to make the whole seabed in one bis diorama with both the bow and stern? I really don't blame you in not looking forward to make the stern.

  

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#867, "RE: Chris Hoffert, 1/350 Minicraft Titanic Wreck (1986 Version)"
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Not sure what I am going to do about the base yet. It just depends on how much space I want to take up at the house which is not that much. I would like to do a whole sea bed base but it might just not be feasible. I think with the stern I am going to cut the bottom of the hull off the 1/35 kit keeping the aft 5 inches and the keel intact and just build her up with scratchbuilt spacers and decks. I'll use tinfoil for the hull sides and other hull material that is flapped everywhich way.

  

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#875, "RE: Chris Hoffert, 1/350 Minicraft Titanic Wreck (1986 Version)"
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check this out here is a model of the wreck on a discovery channel show it is awesome. maybe you can do the bottom like that but like you said not to munch space.
http://video.aol.com/video-detail/titanic-anatomy-of-a-disaster-the-wrecked-stern/2455114100

  

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#879, "RE: Chris Hoffert, 1/350 Minicraft Titanic Wreck (1986 Version)"
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Excellant work Chris. This is going to be a very nice looking model when completed

Jonathan

  

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#881, "RE: Chris Hoffert, 1/350 Minicraft Titanic Wreck (1986 Version)"
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Again thanks. Well tell you the honest truth I may be relocating to another house in this area and if that is the case then I will have plenty of space so it may still be a possibility.

  

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#884, "RE: Chris Hoffert, 1/350 Minicraft Titanic Wreck (1986 Version)"
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Ok I am about 75% complete on the break area and I guess I'll walk you through what I did kind of step by step.

Ok you see above what I did with the boilers that is pretty self explanatory and I just added some minor details. With 1/350 scale it is hard to get some of the real small details and since this area is going to go through a lot more detailing I didn't do a ton for the boilers but you can defiantely tell what they are and that is what I am going for. Anyways I started off by building a section of the double about an 1 1/2 inches in from the break. I used the deck chairs that came with the kit. They made great spacers and were fairly close to scale height of 2 ft at 1/350 so hey there you go. SImple easy and no hard work required.



The next thing I did was install the starboard keel and laid a layer of tinfoil over the double hull top. I built the #2 forward coal bunker and put a tinfoil top on this as well. I weathered and painted. I heavily rusted this area as it has not been disturbed since the ship sank and because of the amount of damage to these areas. Rusting just seems to happen more around the damaged parts of the ship more then it does on others. REMEMBER TO TEST FIT EVERYTHING BEFORE TRYING TO INSTALL.
Step 1

Step 2

Step 3

Step 4

Step 5





The next thing I built were the uptakes for the boilers. I couldn't find any drawings of the Titanic's boilers so I used other boiler diagrams as reference. Since this area is going to be heavily obscured I didn't put to much detail into them. I just wrapped tinfoil around a paint brush then crushed and attached them to the boilers. I finished weathering the boilers and the uptakes and fitted them for installation.
Step 1

Step 2

Step 3


Remember I mentioned building walls out of tinfoil for the break area? Well here are some examples of the results. This technique will come in very handy for the stern. I tried to replicate what some of the damge inside, from the pictures I saw from James Cameron's 1997 expedition, due to decay and water damage from the sinking. I didn't put anything in for the dining room on D Deck and only put the boiler casing for F deck in. This is made out of steel and probably wouldn't rot like the wood so probably is still intact. I glued the decks together and crushed the walls between the decks so that they would match the height of the areas they were installed.

E Deck staterooms and scotland road

Close up of that same area where scotland road would have run

These are the C Deck staterooms.


Once all this was complete I simply installed the decks into the main hull. I glued the deck fronts to a piece of decking from the kit that would allow the decks remain in place.
The piece behind the coal bunker is where I attached the front of the decks to then just inserted all the decks as one piece then glued.

I also started the extra weathering of the boiler room and rusticles between the sloping decks. More weathering is needed on visible areas. Once all the weathering is complete I will form and cut the tinfoil patches for the hull break area.













I also folded the sides of the Boat Deck up so that it sags in the middle which is more acurate.


I threw this in there for reference

  

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#885, "RE: Chris Hoffert, 1/350 Minicraft Titanic Wreck (1986 Version)"
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Chris,

Your model looks great! especially since you are progressing so fast, but not to be an ass, but it appears you may have forgot a critical bend in the hull at the well deck, directly behind the cranes at the C-deck bulkhead. Check out Roy Mengot's page, if i read it correctly its supposed to be a 6 degree bend. http://home.flash.net/~rfm/BOW/bow.html
Please correct me if i am wrong, aside from that it looks great.

regards,
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#886, "RE: Chris Hoffert, 1/350 Minicraft Titanic Wreck (1986 Version)"
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I think the bend is closer to 10 to 12 degrees but yes you are correct and no I am not actually going to bend it I'm gonna use tinfoil patches to simulate it when I get ready to mount it to the base. The same is going to be for the iceberg damage just below the starboard tear.

  

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#887, "RE: Chris Hoffert, 1/350 Minicraft Titanic Wreck (1986 Version)"
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Are there actual images of the iceberg damage?

JJ

  

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#888, "RE: Chris Hoffert, 1/350 Minicraft Titanic Wreck (1986 Version)"
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Yes and it's just popped rivets. They also had an expedition that sonared the hull forward of the mudline and identified 6 finger size punctures for a grand total of 12 square feet that penetrated 5 compartments. If you check this link http://images.search.yahoo.com/search/images/view?back=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.search.yahoo.com%2Fsearch%2Fimages%3Fei%3DUTF-8%26p%3Dtitanic%2Bwreck%26fr%3Dyfp-t-501%26b%3D22%26ni%3D21&w=744&h=561&imgurl=www.maritimequest.com%2Fliners%2Ftitanic%2Fphotos%2Ftitanic_wreck_marschall_1.jpg&rurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.maritimequest.com%2Fliners%2Ftitanic_art_page_4.htm&size=115.1kB&name=titanic_wreck_marschall_1.jpg&p=titanic+wreck&type=jpeg&no=23&tt=2,801&oid=1c973fe34fc429e0&ei=UTF-8 (third painting down) and look just aft of the starboard hole below the waterline you'll see a rendering of the the "slit" that protrudes boiler room #6 and the aft coal bunker of boiler room #5.

  

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#889, "RE: Chris Hoffert, 1/350 Minicraft Titanic Wreck (1986 Version)"
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Looking great Chris! I am not sure if you can tell in these photos, but I put that bend on mine. I bought a VHS tape from Roy Mengot where he taped building his model. It is kind of like a tutorial. This is the one I started a number of years ago and never finished. It is in a different city now at mom and dad's, but I am going to get it back soon and try to finish what I started. Mine is missing a lot of the great detail you have on yours. How did you make your mast?Keep up the good work.

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#890, "RE: Chris Hoffert, 1/350 Minicraft Titanic Wreck (1986 Version)"
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That's a nice looking kit you got going there to. A little touch up and it'll be fine. I used the mast that came with the kit. I simply drilled it hollow up to the crow's nest and cut the openings. I had to relocate the light mounted on it to be more accurate. I uaed tinfoil to build the crow's nest. Simple and effective.

  

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#892, "RE: Chris Hoffert, 1/350 Minicraft Titanic Wreck (1986 Version)"
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Okay since so many people noticed it and I don't like for things to stand out I have completed the forward bend below the well deck. I simply removed large chunks of the hull up to the tear on the starboard side and up to the portholes just below the well deck on the port side. I molded tinfoil patches from the hulls of my extra kits and installed bent and painted. This is fine as I have not finished the final weathering of the outer hull so I can easily blend this in with that. i am going to fit the tinfoil a little better before I do the final detailing.







  

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#893, "RE: Chris Hoffert, 1/350 Minicraft Titanic Wreck (1986 Version)"
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That model is looking great Chris! I love the details you are adding. Your model is giving me inspiration to continue with mine, so much so that I went home this weekend to get my model to start back on it. Unfortunately, I found that it was in rough shape. By the way, when I started my model of the wreck, I used squadron green putty to create the "silty" look, but it has over time caused the styrene to become brittle and curl up some. My aft decks at the tear have curled upward like macaroni. Do you think I should replace them, or go with it? What thickness of styrene did you use. I used a really thin size. I am not sure how much damage would come of removing them now. Here is the sub-assembly showing the curled decks.


  

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#894, "RE: Chris Hoffert, 1/350 Minicraft Titanic Wreck (1986 Version)"
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Sun Feb-24-08 01:35 PMby chrishoffert

  

          

I would try to go with it first and see what happens. I used leftover decks from my extra kits to build my aft decks. I simply used a dremel to shave the visible sides to a correct thickness for the scale. I have not yet used any sheet styrene only stuff that came with the kits and some PE parts.

  

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#896, "RE: Chris Hoffert, 1/350 Minicraft Titanic Wreck (1986 Version)"
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Chris -

What's the white stuff you used to cover the tinfoil? It looks wery good!

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- Morten

  

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#897, "RE: Chris Hoffert, 1/350 Minicraft Titanic Wreck (1986 Version)"
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It's regular run of the mill modeler's putty the kind that comes from the grey tube you get at hobby stores. I don't like that green stuff and never did. I used the putty to mask the lines of the patch and it is what I used to texture everything it is really effective. I'm starting to finish up the real fine details now but I can never seem to put enough detail in there always something catching my eye. The ratlines and the hull sides at the break will be the last things I do though. Here are some more pictures.












It's hard to tell but this is quite interesting. On the wreck where you see the railing is all bent up there's a piece of tinfoil wrapped around one of the bars. On the actual wreck there is a crushed flat pipe that wrapped around that very same railing and is believed to be one of the uptakes for the #1 funnel and it is believed that the number one funnel impacted the forecastle in this area and if you study the wreck photos something did happen to this area so I just needed to put that itty bitty little detail there.


  

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#898, "RE: Chris Hoffert, 1/350 Minicraft Titanic Wreck (1986 Version)"
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Ok so I fixed some things that were upseting me visually. This included some extensive reqorking of the officer's quarters roof and aft. I installed all the fidley grates, I corrected the lavatory and marconi skylights, I fixed the fallen fan on the #2 funnel forward vent, I painted all the railings, I moved the large fan port side of aft #1 vent aft and removed the top and drilled it out, I drilled a hole just forward of this where a wooden lid rotted away, I have not yet installed a proper sized cylinder just aft of the #1 funnel over the aft fidley grate, I built bullworks for the fidley grates on the #2 funnel, I added the Jack rose stantion on the forward bow where the front mast rat lines ran, and I added the final windows to the officer's waurters aft of the expansion joint. Whew now I am more visually pleased and the model is more accurately detailed. Here are the pics. I also included some mood pics because I love my new camera and it's a cool look.
This is prior to painting the lavatory and marconi skylight uprights.




this is post painting








These are the mood photos























  

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#900, "RE: Chris Hoffert, 1/350 Minicraft Titanic Wreck (1986 Version)"
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Looking good Chris. I like the mood pics! Keep us posted.

  

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#906, "RE: Chris Hoffert, 1/350 Minicraft Titanic Wreck (1986 Version)"
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WOW! That is a great job!

  

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#908, "RE: Chris Hoffert, 1/350 Minicraft Titanic Wreck (1986 Version)"
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Mon Feb-25-08 10:20 PMby chrishoffert

  

          

Again thank you everyone for your compliments though I am not operating near some of the professionalism as some of these other guys like Morten, which BTW I love your 1/350 Titanic and your 1/350 Britanic Wreck conversion that is some real craftsmanship. I have decided not to build the whole sea floor and the reason for this is because I would have make the entire debreis field and I just wouldn't feel right doing that because I would have to guess what a lot of that would look like and I don't wanna guess I wanna be accurate. I have maps showing the location of items on the sea floor but there has been no extensive map of object size and shapes that I have been able to find so I will build what I know and creat very nice stands for both the bow and stern. Rory if I inspired you to finish your kit then you have inspired me to use your base stand style. I also have my next projects lined up in my head. Once I finish the stern I'm building a diorama of the Titanic sinking. I will also build a smaller diorama of the break up seeing as I have all these leftover parts it should be easy with all I have learned thus far. I got the 1/350 PE parts lined up and even 1/350 figures that I will paint and install. After that will be 1/35 Academy Blackhawk diorama of an insertion/casevac mission I did while I was in Iraq. I intend to make a short dramatic video of my wreck as well. And Murdoch you and Rory better keep me updated with pics of your kits I want to see how it comes out and feel free shoot me an email if you need any specifics or ideas.

It's a little to late to change some of this but what do you guys think of the color sceme I've been using. I have seen a lot of models that just use single tone colors and I didn't want to do that I wanted to include all the different colors I've see on the high quality photos of the wreck. I just finished the final paint weathering of the hull minus the break area folds. Just wanan make sure that it works well. The flash kind of kills some of the shading I've done but you get the idea anyways I kind of want feedback in case I were ever to build another one. Personally I didn't think this one would be as good as it seems to be coming out to. The stern will be well more thought out though so you should see a better project when I start on that.







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#909, "RE: Chris Hoffert, 1/350 Minicraft Titanic Wreck (1986 Version)"
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the bow is looking great i understand not wanting to do the whole sea bed. It is not a cake walk making a big underwater junk yark or underwater museum. i plan to do a lot of reasearch on the debris field before i do my model.

  

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#911, "RE: Chris Hoffert, 1/350 Minicraft Titanic Wreck (1986 Version)"
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Okay have been working the hull tears so here's a rough look. Have much more detailing to do obviously. I molded tinfoil over my extra hulls then when I was satisfied the detail was imprinted I ran a good layer of superglue over the tin foil, then I drilled out all the portholes and window, then I applied the modeler's putter, then I painted. I found that once the paint dried the tinfoil is more like a thin rubber slice so if the tinfoilcomes off the putty the details still stay. Pretty cool.







  

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#912, "RE: Chris Hoffert, 1/350 Minicraft Titanic Wreck (1986 Version)"
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Looking great Chris. Keep the info and pictures coming.

I am not looking forward to that part . I am going to study Roy Mengot's model photos and Ken Marschal's artwork as best I can and see what I can come up with. I am still a ways from that right now though.

Rory

  

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#917, "RE: Chris Hoffert, 1/350 Minicraft Titanic Wreck (1986 Version)"
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Chris,

I was so ENJOY see you working on the Titanic wreck...as faster! that look so Great!! Well, My model of HMHS Britannic wreck that take me near 2 years and still not finish!!! So keep update of your model until it get complete!

Regards,

William Barney

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HMHS Britannic 1/350 wreck... Coming Soon!!!

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#923, "RE: Chris Hoffert, 1/350 Minicraft Titanic Wreck (1986 Version)"
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Okay here are the latest and greatest pics.













  

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#924, "RE: Chris Hoffert, 1/350 Minicraft Titanic Wreck (1986 Version)"
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It's a very good job.
chris...

  

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#927, "RE: Chris Hoffert, 1/350 Minicraft Titanic Wreck (1986 Version)"
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Ok I fixed the expansion joint it was to large I knew it and you knew just nobody said anything. I had to remove some of the little details but they are easily replaceable. they are only railings so now the expansion joint isn't 100% accurate but a lot closer then it did before. Other then that just been tieing up loose ends and painting some more wear and tear.







  

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#928, "RE: Chris Hoffert, 1/350 Minicraft Titanic Wreck (1986 Version)"
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oh boy she is awsome great job. Will you be doing the stern by next week?

  

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#929, "RE: Chris Hoffert, 1/350 Minicraft Titanic Wreck (1986 Version)"
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Fri Feb-29-08 03:01 AMby chrishoffert

  

          

Yes I should be able to start next monday possibly might just take next week and play golf for a break. Am working on the rigging right now a long with some more detail. The rigging though bro is gonna make me kill myself cause I have no idea where what goes. i am looking at 6 different pictures at any one time trying to trace their begginings and ends. It's coming but sure sucks my %#$#. I think I got most of the forward rigging somewhat ok. I was chasing shadows around looking at models looking at paintings holy crap dude this is one of the most underdocumented areas I could find. I picked a happy medium and here you go. Will do the aft stuff tomorrow.

Prepainting installation















Post weathering. I chose all the color scemes to accentuate different details like the rigging. I painted the rigging rust base color then dry brushed dark italion brown here and there mostly where it contacts the deck for depth, then dry brushed some regular brown over that to make the rigging stand out from the deck. All together I think I have only used 7 standard colors and one mixed light rust color. The concept of highlights is projected throughout the entire model as you can see from previous photos and all the colors are what I call ugly shades because I didn't want the wreck to look beautiful. I wanted it to be dreary and dramatic. I think it is coming out quite well just need to keep putting the details in there and I will keep you posted on those as I finish them.







  

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#930, "RE: Chris Hoffert, 1/350 Minicraft Titanic Wreck (1986 Version)"
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Fri Feb-29-08 04:04 AMby chrishoffert

  

          

This is a paint scheme reference I used that worked quite well for me and maybe will give you some ideas for what to use for yours. It's hard to tell the true color in the photgraphs but rest asured the color looks quite well to the human eye. It is quite late so I will give you a hull reference later tomorrow.

This is the detailing reference color sceme for that I used for "ALL" the deckborne items and details



This is the deck color scheme I used for all the decks. Obviously I textured them before painting and doing so allowed the drybrushing to highlight the decks even more whilst the base color stayed. You'll notice it has 2 step 3's. I did this because you are using the same color just putting a heavier coat around your metal objects. For clarification the heavy coat of light rust goes around your metal objects and extends out past the heavy coat of rust you apply later to better shade the wreck and gives your wreck a better feel for age levels. You can if you'd like put more shades into these areas but I found that this way works quite well. The light rust mix I used was a just a bit darker then the regular brown I used for some of the lighter details. The colors I used were as follows:
1. Testors Flat Dark Green
2. Testors Flat Black
3. Testors Flat Red
4. Testors Flat Brown
5. Testors Flat Rust
6. Model Master Italian Dark Brown
7. Model Master Afrika Gunbraun

I also used commercially aquired spray paint for the hull:
1. Flat Black
2. Flat White
3. Red/Brown Primer

If you have any questions or need any clarification feel free to fire away.



This is what the color sceme looks like with the human eye. Note it appears a lot lighter then it really is due to the natural sunlight and I was using my old camera but you get the idea. The Italian Dark Brown darkens the Afrika Gunbraun quite well. And also this is an early picture I have put many levels of weathering into this deck since then but you get to see just what I was doing with the shading and color levels.



  

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#931, "RE: Chris Hoffert, 1/350 Minicraft Titanic Wreck (1986 Version)"
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Wow Chris. That rigging is really making it all come together! You are doing a great job. I am glad someone is doing the research on the rigging ahead of me . I will probably still do a bit myself though.

On a different note, is there actually another door to the left of the left double doors on the foreward wall of the well deck? I was looking at my Hahn and Bruce Beveridge plans and noticed it last night. There is also a pipe running to the side and above those left doors that I added too. It is seen in most well deck photos.

  

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#933, "RE: Chris Hoffert, 1/350 Minicraft Titanic Wreck (1986 Version)"
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Obviously even with all the research you still have to guess about the rigging.

  

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#934, "RE: Chris Hoffert, 1/350 Minicraft Titanic Wreck (1986 Version)"
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Chris,

That looks awesome! i want to hack up my 1/350 into a wreck now! Stuff it in some mud and call it good.

Regards,

JJ

  

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#936, "RE: Chris Hoffert, 1/350 Minicraft Titanic Wreck (1986 Version)"
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man those are great pictures. I think i'll reasearch your wreck and Roy Mengot's and Ken Marschall's paintings and photos of the wreck taken during Ballards trip to the wreck. I'll have a load of reasearch to do. But I biggest thank is to you Chris Because i needed to see a wreck model in progress and you gave that to me the critcal thing i needed to do my own one day. I hope to do my this summer.

  

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#937, "RE: Chris Hoffert, 1/350 Minicraft Titanic Wreck (1986 Version)"
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Fri Feb-29-08 06:12 PMby chrishoffert

  

          

Well just so you know that no model is near perfect. i can pick my model to death with inaccuracies that I know about now that I can't change internally. No one else will ever know so I am jsut wondering if I may have to do another one of the wreck today just to top what I have already done. I have recieved several books and am going to detail the stern quite well. I believe that now that I have the paint schemes worked out and the know how to use some of these extras back in step I can deliver a quite stunning stern piece. I have decided that construction will begin in 2 weeks from today. I am not yet quite done with this model all I can hope to do now is spruce up some little details here and there. I appreciate all your comments and I feel quite humbled tot he response I have recieved. I hope you guys can have as much enjoyment and frustration that this is has brought me. I will be here for a long time giving you updates on my other projects as they start. I never thought my work would inspire so I am deeply honored just don't tell anyone it was me it'd ruin my reputation. Lol j/k you guys take care I'll see you on here when I get some more updates.

  

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#950, "RE: Chris Hoffert, 1/350 Minicraft Titanic Wreck (1986 Version)"
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Hello Christopher,

I saw your images your model it is splendid!

It is very good work!

I hope to have of new pictures of your work.

REGARDS.




  

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#982, "RE: Chris Hoffert, 1/350 Minicraft Titanic Wreck (1986 Version)"
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Ok here's the update I know a couple of you were looking for. The rigging for the boat deck. Ok first off I chose the rigging based off of pictures, paintings, and information from the wreck site. Some are bound to be incorrectly placed but to the best of my abilities with the information I have this is the best I can do as it sits right now. I also rebuilt the lifeboat davits in the bridge area as I had installed them upside down and were visually incoorect so I rebuilt and reinstalled them as they really are. I moved the vent forward of the port lounge raised roof as indicated by pictures and this is more accurate. I may move a couple of smaller items but am researching to make sure that anything else may be incorrectly placed. I will still be adding some fine details here and there. I got my display case in today as well so I will start to work the mudline soon. The stern will have to wait just a little while longer. So without further ado.

This is the rigging installation pre painting.











On this image you'll see the vent I moved at the top middle of the picture. It's a little blurry but you get the idea. I also installed the baffling inside the #2 funnel.



THis is the correct positioning of the lifeboat davits in the bridge area. This data was collected from several wreck images and the 1986 mosaic so it is near 98% correct.



THis is the rigging installation post painting



















These are images of the wreck model overall as it is right now in working progress.













And this is another reference check against the original mosaic


  

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#983, "RE: Chris Hoffert, 1/350 Minicraft Titanic Wreck (1986 Version)"
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That looks great Chris! I have a few changes I need to make myself. I can't wait to see your case and mudline. I doubt I will be able to find an oval case to fit my base . Keep us posted on further progress.

Rory

  

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#984, "RE: Chris Hoffert, 1/350 Minicraft Titanic Wreck (1986 Version)"
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Chris,

It looks great! have fun with the stern...just use firecrackers on it, that should make it somewhat accurate.

Regards,

JJ

  

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#985, "RE: Chris Hoffert, 1/350 Minicraft Titanic Wreck (1986 Version)"
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Okay guys it's midnight and I am spent. Have been working on the mudline for the last 6 hours so I'd thought I'd leave a little work in progress photos. The materials I used for the mudline are as follows:
Light Modeler's Clay
Railroad Scenery Cement
Fine Artist's Sand

Here I am building up the clay to approximate demensions. I covered every inch of the board with clay for uniform appearance. I super glued the edges down when it dried a little then trimmed the excess from the edges.







Once the clay set to a fairly firm state I started applying several layers of sand. I used a spray bottle and rail road scenery cement for all the coats. I got some residule sand on the model but this wipes off fairly easy with a fat paint brush.











Okay now here comes the hard part coloring. It's more like painting a canvas I think so you can get creative with the colors. The initial base coat is a light over spray of dark tan. I tried to get a two tone look from the lighter sand so that it would be darker in some areas then others. THe darkest areas for the whole mudline is close to the wreck were rusticles and other debris has fallen since the ship sank.









Once dry I applied a light over spray of Red/Brown primer around where the mud meets the model start the rust tint. Then I applied a thick coat of Italian Dark brown to establish a very dark base coat. Like I said get creative and paint away. Once this coat was dry I apllied a thick coat of rust creating a dark two tone effect. Then I applied a light coat of testors flat brown over these colors to lighten them and blend them into the dark tan better. THe end effect is as follows. I'm gonna finish the weathering phase tomorrow and will update this post when I am complete with this phase. The paint was a still a little wet when I took these photos. But also something to think about here that I would recomend. Get you a couple of cans of Model Master Lacquer Overcoat Lusterless (Flat) #1960. THis dulls all your colors and even adds one more level of age to the appearance of your model.









This shows the display case I am going to use. Not trying to advertise here but this website http://www.casesforcollectibles.com/ has display cases for just about any size model you got and are fairly reasonable with price. THey deal in acrylic plastic which means you don't have to worry about any glass breaking if you ever have to move and if the glass ever discolors or frosts you can simply purchase a new one minus the base so you can really get exactly what you want.



  

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#986, "RE: Chris Hoffert, 1/350 Minicraft Titanic Wreck (1986 Version)"
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Very cool model there.

  

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#987, "RE: Chris Hoffert, 1/350 Minicraft Titanic Wreck (1986 Version)"
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Chris,

It looking fantastic!!! Thanks for information about an display case, I was hopeful it will fits to my HMHS Britannic wreck!!

I am forwarding to see Stern wreck!

Regards,

William Barney

William Barney's

HMHS Britannic wreck 1/350.... Coming Soon!!!

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#988, "RE: Chris Hoffert, 1/350 Minicraft Titanic Wreck (1986 Version)"
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Hi chris!

Very beautiful model you have there..
I really enjoy it and your "Tutorial". Is very informative and you use some materials i never thought it will work on that way.

Keep us updated and don't forget to make the stern session even better (if is possible)!!

Regards

J.B

Regards from
Portugal

  

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chrishoffertSun Mar-09-08 02:17 PM
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#989, "RE: Chris Hoffert, 1/350 Minicraft Titanic Wreck (1986 Version)"
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Sun Mar-09-08 02:19 PMby chrishoffert

  

          

Again thanks for the compliments. Well you read hundreds upon hundreds of threads about building the full scale model as she was which I am going to do but wanted to get the muscle memory back for doing this kind of stuff. The one thing I don't read that much about is modeling the wrecked version. I kind of went into this project blind so I decided that I will make a more detailed tutorial type post so that guys like Rory and Murdoch can get ideas and simple fairly inexpensive products can be just as effective as more expensive counterparts. The most expensive thing I got for this set is the PE parts because I bought in bulk because I wasn'r sure what I would use and what I wouldn't. THis has been a great learning process for me and if I can help the next guy out then I have done my job. I mean look at Rory Smith's wrecked model. It looks great even before he started to work on it again now it looks even better plus he has the motivation to complete it. THe stern will look so much better so I think what I will do is also build the bow as it looks now because I would like to fix some inaccuracies on this model and it will also serve as a then and now type of diorama. Maybe they can even use my posts of this thread here on this website to inform others about this topic as there is not a such a tutorial that I have seen yet. I looked to Roy Mengot a lot for his wrecked version but in the end I used some of his techniques and some of mine so I am just giving someone who might read this and get inspired a few extra tricks in their bag. Again thanks for all the support I am a humbled man.

  

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chrishoffertSun Mar-09-08 08:40 PM
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#991, "RE: Chris Hoffert, 1/350 Minicraft Titanic Wreck (1986 Version)"
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Ok here we go. I think I'm pretty much finished with the mudline. All I have left that I can think of is some detail painting of the hull, I'll rust up some more areas with rusticles, and add a few extra details then I think maybe I'll be mission complete. Not really though there is so much more I wish I could do anyways here you go.

After establishing a basic paint schem for the hull and the sand and clay completely dried I apllied a layer of modeler's putty around the entire wreck to simulate fallen rustices and other trash falling off the wreck. Like all other areas where I used putty I textured it with a fat paint brush.









The initial base coat is Afrika Gunbraun.



This was followed by a coat of Italian Dark Brown to mesh the color edges and tint the base coat



This was followed by a heavy drybush coat of Testors Flat Brown to lighten the Italian Dark Brown and create a dark green brown tint.



This was followed by rust touch up on the hull and the areas where the mudline closely contacts the hull. Depending on how the hull is formed in certain areas I extended the rust line out like around the anchor wells where I made it look like a rust color river from the anchors.



And this is the finished result







I also spruced up the boiler room with some extra details I noticed in the "Ghosts of the Abyss" book I have.

Pre Weathering


Post Weathering


Here is the base and nameplate I went with



  

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Murdoch87Sun Mar-09-08 10:42 PM
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#993, "RE: Chris Hoffert, 1/350 Minicraft Titanic Wreck (1986 Version)"
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That is a great job. you had done great. Makes me want to do my own now!

  

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JonathanMon Mar-10-08 02:45 AM
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#994, "1/350 Minicraft Titanic Wreck (1986 Version)"
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Chris

This is one of the best 1/350th wreck models I have seen in a very long time. Your attention to detail and the way you undertake the modelling process are indeed excellant.

Jonathan

  

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chrishoffertSun Mar-16-08 10:31 PM
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#1042, "The Stern Hath Began"
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New post located in the main forum page for the stern see link http://titanic-model.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=123&topic_id=1047&mesg_id=1047&page=

  

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Murdoch87Mon Mar-17-08 12:42 AM
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#1043, "RE: The Stern Hath Began"
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WOW! thar is coming in great. keep up the great work.

  

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JJMon Mar-17-08 12:44 AM
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#1044, "RE: The Stern Hath Began"
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Chris,

You keep your work bench so clean! amazing! Good work, keep us posted.

-JJ

  

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JonathanMon Mar-17-08 07:15 AM
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#1045, "SEPERATE THREAD FOR STERN"
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Chris

It would be best if you start a seperate thread for your stern model. Reason being that you have almost 90 posts to this one particular thread and it's getting too long for people to keep track of.

Excellant work. If your bow model is anything to go by, this again will be stunning.

Jonathan

  

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chrishoffertMon Mar-17-08 09:30 AM
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#1048, "RE: SEPERATE THREAD FOR STERN"
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Thanks Jonathan I took care of it.

  

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#1230, "RE: The Stern Hath Began"
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I just discovered this site and this thread, and wow! This is one of the most inspiring build threads I've ever seen! Excellent photography, great walkthrough, source materials cited, materials desribed... it's enough to make me want to try my hand at a wreck model myself, which I've wanted to do since 1987. Thank you for providing this to the community.

  

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chrishoffertSat Apr-26-08 03:05 AM
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#1231, "RE: The Stern Hath Began"
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I appreciate your enthusiasm and compliments. Before I started building this model I really had no clue how it would turn out. I had no idea of paint schemes, materials I would use, and just how much of a pain this would be. I found several pictures and related links talking about models but no one really had a well if you want to do it this way you'll need do it like this. So I just wanted to provide to the next guy ideas that would make it a little easier to understand what is needed before taking on this project. I'd like to write a "How To" of sorts and see if I can get it published on this site.

  

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chrishoffertMon Apr-11-11 12:20 PM
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#4533, "RE: Chris Hoffert, 1/350 Minicraft Titanic Wreck (1986 Version)"
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This model sold to a private collector from the Titanic Historical Society for $650 USD. It is now in a private personal collection.

  

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Morten JensenTue Apr-12-11 03:05 PM
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#4541, "RE: Chris Hoffert, 1/350 Minicraft Titanic Wreck (1986 Version)"
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Now that is cheap... I sell my 1/350's for way more than that, so if you are making new models on orders you could get more for them. Just a thought

A stunning model! This is by far the best wreck model I have seen!

Regards,

- Morten

  

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chrishoffertTue Apr-12-11 10:08 PM
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#4542, "RE: Chris Hoffert, 1/350 Minicraft Titanic Wreck (1986 Version)"
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That was just for the Bow I'm gonna get more for than that for the stern. So realistically for the 1/350 set It's more like $1,300. I got another bow int he works it's half built don't tell any one cause it's a secret.

  

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Mister RichardMon Feb-13-17 10:37 AM
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#9273, "RE: Chris Hoffert, 1/350 Minicraft Titanic Wreck (1986 Version)"
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It's so refreshing to see someone as young as you demonstrate
such a level of skill. I have the same model built wrecked
back in 1996. I have not come close to achieving the skill or
eye for detail as you have Mastered. Very captivating work.
(Richard Klietz)  

  

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