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Chris KrookWed Jan-06-16 03:31 AM
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#8680, "Chris' 1/250 Amati"


  

          

Dear all,

First of all, the best wishes for 2016 to everybody in this community!

Some of you might remember me from the 1/350 waterline Minicraft with lighting that I did in 2014 and early 2015. Pictures of that build are still available further down in this forum.

In the mean time I managed to sell the Minicraft, and I intend to use the experience I gathered during that build in something a bit bigger and more ambitious; the 1/250 Amati model. Essentially this project will be the same as the Minicraft build, so a waterline ship with lighting, but I will take advantage of the larger scale to obtain a higher level of detail. I am aiming for something like Art's Minicraft, but time will tell if that is feasible

However, with the Amati having a planked-frame wooden hull, I am already facing my first challenge: how to do a waterline conversion to such a hull. All the frame parts have alternating slits that allow them to slide together, but these slits will cause the frames to fall apart when sawn in half. I am still thinking of a way to circumvent this.

Anyway, it is nice to be back! My first estimate for the duration of this project is two years, so I will be here for the foreseeable future

Best regards,
Chris

  

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RE: Chris' 1/250 Amati, Art Braunschweiger, Jan 07th 2016, #1
RE: Chris' 1/250 Amati, Chris Krook, Jan 07th 2016, #2
      RE: Chris' 1/250 Amati, Matt OBrien, Jan 07th 2016, #3
RE: Chris' 1/250 Amati, Titanic5972, Jan 13th 2016, #4
RE: Chris' 1/250 Amati, Chris Krook, Jan 13th 2016, #5
      RE: Chris' 1/250 Amati, Titanic5972, Jan 14th 2016, #6
RE: Chris' 1/250 Amati, Chris Krook, Feb 08th 2016, #7
RE: Chris' 1/250 Amati, lauraoonaeemeli, Feb 08th 2016, #8
RE: Chris' 1/250 Amati, Chris Krook, Feb 09th 2016, #9
RE: Chris' 1/250 Amati, Chris Krook, Mar 07th 2016, #10
RE: Chris' 1/250 Amati, usgecko, Mar 07th 2016, #11
RE: Chris' 1/250 Amati, Chris Krook, Mar 07th 2016, #12
RE: Chris' 1/250 Amati, George P, Mar 12th 2016, #14
      RE: Chris' 1/250 Amati, Chris Krook, Mar 15th 2016, #15
RE: Chris' 1/250 Amati, Chris Krook, Mar 10th 2016, #13
RE: Chris' 1/250 Amati, Chris Krook, Mar 15th 2016, #16
RE: Chris' 1/250 Amati, bianco64squalo, Mar 16th 2016, #17
      RE: Chris' 1/250 Amati, Chris Krook, Mar 16th 2016, #18
           RE: Chris' 1/250 Amati, Chris Krook, Mar 30th 2016, #19
                RE: Chris' 1/250 Amati, Chris Krook, Mar 17th 2017, #20
                     RE: Chris' 1/250 Amati, Chris Krook, Mar 31st 2017, #21
                          RE: Chris' 1/250 Amati, Morten Jensen, Mar 31st 2017, #22
                          RE: Chris' 1/250 Amati, Titanic5972, Mar 31st 2017, #23
                          RE: Chris' 1/250 Amati, Chris Krook, Apr 11th 2017, #24

Art BraunschweigerThu Jan-07-16 04:02 AM
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#8682, "RE: Chris' 1/250 Amati"
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Hi Chris -

can you post a link to your previous model's photo page? I couldn't find a waterline model in a brief search.

Thanks

Art Braunschweiger
TRMA Trustee

  

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Chris KrookThu Jan-07-16 05:16 AM
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#8683, "RE: Chris' 1/250 Amati"
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Hi Art,

It's nice to finally speak to you "in person". At the time of my build you were not active on the forum, and I always regretted that because I regarded your build as the main inspiration for mine :)
I would love to hear your feedback on what I did right and what I could have done better, it will certainly make this new endeavor even more fruitful.

My build is in these two threads:


part 1:

http://titanic-model.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=123&topic_id=7042&mesg_id=7042&page=3


part 2:

http://titanic-model.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=123&topic_id=7599&mesg_id=7599&page=3


I also posted some pictured of the finished model on its water diorama in a third tread, but for some reason those links have gone dead. I will see if I can put them back up.

Best regards,
Chris

  

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Matt OBrienThu Jan-07-16 06:03 PM
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#8685, "RE: Chris' 1/250 Amati"
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Welcome back, Chris. I see you've returned for more "punishment". I'm looking forward to this build, especially after the great job you did on the 1/350. I'm sure going one size larger will look fantastic.

Regards,

Matt

  

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Titanic5972Wed Jan-13-16 05:50 AM
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#8696, "RE: Chris' 1/250 Amati"
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Wed Jan-13-16 05:52 AMby Titanic5972

          

Hi Chris

I too decided that I would like a waterline/ sinking version of the 1/250 Amati model. I purchased a full set of unopened magazines with the intent of making a highly detailed full model for display, and my previously built model was to be adjusted. Trying to cut the hull of a finished model resulted in the planks flying off and was just not a good idea.

My suggestion would be to build the full centre keel in one piece on a flat surface, and use the support pieces higher up than what the magazine says to use them. That way the keel can be cut with a jigsaw or similar while it is still flat. Then dry fit the frames/ bulkheads and mark them so they can then be cut as well.

I would personally leave 3-4 mm extra and then, if you are planning to model it sitting in "water", you can just add extra water mixture to ensure it sits at the correct level.

Hope this is of some help and not too confusing

Regards, Ryan

PS: if you are going for a highly detailed model, I would recommend using the photo etched parts from the following site
www.minibrass.com
I used all the available plates, and they make a huge difference to the model, especially using the walls in these plates rather than the cardboard printed walls. And the 3D domes look incredible too!

  

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Chris KrookWed Jan-13-16 06:34 AM
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#8697, "RE: Chris' 1/250 Amati"
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Hi Ryan,

Thanks for the input, very valuable. Now I know for sure that the option of building a full hull and then cutting that to size with a jigsaw or something similar is not a good idea :)

In the mean time I have already decided on a solution similar to what you are describing.

I will assemble the total center keel and cut it at the waterline, then glue all the separate pieces vertically onto a perfectly flat base plate of 3 mm plywood.
I will then make waterline cuts on all the individual frames and glue them onto the base plate and center keel one by one.
That 3 mm plywood base plate will also provide the extra needed height to make the model sit in the water at the correct level when it is completed.

Concerning the Minibrass PE-parts; I was already planning on buying those :) The only part I was doubting about is the B/C deck longitudinal profiles. The Amati full kit version of the model already comes with a nice amount of PE-parts including B/C deck longitudinal profiles, and they already look pretty good. I wonder if it is worth the extra 157 euros of getting the Minibrass versions. I have never seem them up close side by side. What do you think?

Best regards,
Chris

  

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Titanic5972Thu Jan-14-16 04:57 PM
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#8698, "RE: Chris' 1/250 Amati"
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Hi Chris

I have never seen the full Amati kit before, just the part work magazine so I can't comment on their comparison. Compared to the wooden parts in the part work, the minibrass parts are a great improvement. If you send me a PM I can send you some images that the owner of Minibrass sent me of the B/C deck parts.

Regards, Ryan

  

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Chris KrookMon Feb-08-16 07:22 AM
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#8747, "RE: Chris' 1/250 Amati"
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Mon Feb-08-16 07:29 AMby Chris Krook

  

          

Dear all,

Here is the first picture of my 1/250 Amati build, the work so far has already proven to be quite a challenge. I wanted to do the kit as a waterline model, which meant cutting right through the keel piece and all the individual frames. And getting all the pieces glued in the right place perfectly flat on a base plate without warping was a real headache, but so far so good!

If you look closely at frames 3 through 9, you can see that I corrected them for the known error in the shape of these frames in the Amati kit, which results in an incorrect hull shape if not corrected.

Before I can do the hull planking I first have to install the lighting in the hull. I already "hollowed-out" all the frames to get optimal light distribution throughout the hull without the necessity for an LED in-between every two frames.

To be continued!

Regards,
Chris


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lauraoonaeemeliMon Feb-08-16 10:11 AM
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#8748, "RE: Chris' 1/250 Amati"
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It's coming along nicely. Keep up the good work.

Sauli Palokangas

  

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Chris KrookTue Feb-09-16 02:15 AM
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#8750, "RE: Chris' 1/250 Amati"
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Here is an example of the appearance of the decks I have chosen for my model. The Amati model comes with pretty nice 2 mm veneer strips for de deck planking, the only problem is that 2 mm translates to 50 cm on 1/250 scale, which is far too wide for the individual planks.

I chose to draw on the additional planks with a sharp pencil, and I think it looks nice enough. I tried slicing the strips into narrower ones, but the result did not justify the extra effort.


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Chris KrookMon Mar-07-16 04:23 AM
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#8804, "RE: Chris' 1/250 Amati"
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Hi all,

Here is another update of my 1/250 Amati build. I have plated, sanded and primed the hull, and put the first Minibrass PE-parts on. Those are truly a work of art, beautiful.

Best regards,
Chris






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usgeckoMon Mar-07-16 10:26 AM
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#8805, "RE: Chris' 1/250 Amati"
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Will there be any representation of plating on the hull?

  

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Chris KrookMon Mar-07-16 12:25 PM
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#8806, "RE: Chris' 1/250 Amati"
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Definitely!! :)

  

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George PSat Mar-12-16 11:20 PM
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#8817, "RE: Chris' 1/250 Amati"
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Hi Chris,

I'm a new member of this forum but I've been looking and visiting again and again this site in order to learn more information about my favourite ship, the Titanic. I've always admired replicas of this ship from since I can remember. I wanted to share with you my admiration of your model making skills and nite work. As an architecture student I know making models is a time consuming process, but the end result is always worth it. It was your 1/350 minicraft model that made me choose to build this kit of Titanic. Unfortunately I was unable to see your finished waterline model as the links did not work. I've already purchased my kit and extra photo eched brass parts, but I'll have to wait to finish my school semester to start building my ship, as my Bachelor is my priority.
Keep up the good work and I can't wait to see your progress on your Amati model.

Kind regards,
George

  

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Chris KrookTue Mar-15-16 03:47 AM
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#8823, "RE: Chris' 1/250 Amati"
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Hi George,

Thank you for your kind words! And that's the nice thing about this forum; getting inspiration from others to take your work to the next level. I was inspired by Art Braunschweiger's Minicraft,and although I never got anywhere near to his level of detail it is nice to know that in turn my work has inspired yet another builder.

I'm aware that the links of my finished Minicraft model are not working. I will try to put some new ones up in that thread. In the mean time I have posted a couple below.

Best regards, and good luck on finishing your bachelor! :)

Chris









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Chris KrookThu Mar-10-16 02:39 AM
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#8808, "RE: Chris' 1/250 Amati"
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Thu Mar-10-16 04:13 AMby Chris Krook

  

          

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Chris KrookTue Mar-15-16 03:50 AM
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#8824, "RE: Chris' 1/250 Amati"
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Finished one side of the hull plating and drilled out the sidelights.
Quite a job...

Regards,
Chris




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#8825, "RE: Chris' 1/250 Amati"
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Fantastic work, Chris...
The hull plating add to the model a wonderful look...
Put a little more attention to the hawsepipe's shape on stem....
Cheers.
Filippo

  

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Chris KrookWed Mar-16-16 04:01 AM
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#8826, "RE: Chris' 1/250 Amati"
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Thanks Filippo,

I planned to do the hawse pipe at the stem after finishing the plating on both sides. But indeed, I should definitely not forget :)

  

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Chris KrookWed Mar-30-16 07:50 AM
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#8854, "RE: Chris' 1/250 Amati"
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Hull plating all done and ready for paint!





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Chris KrookFri Mar-17-17 03:41 AM
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#9384, "RE: Chris' 1/250 Amati"
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Dear all,

I also finally got around to doing some work on my model again.
I must say that the reveal of Art's website (breathtaking work by the way, Art) "re-ignited my spark" a bit, so I hope I will be able to pick up the pace again.

When I started this build I intended to use Art's model as a reference. I was hoping that, at the slightly larger 1:250 scale, I would be able to achieve a similar level of detailing with less effort. But now that I've seen the website, I realize that I must admit that I probably don't have the patience or perseverance to reach that amazing level of detail.

But I'm enjoying the build, and I guess that's what counts :)

Best regards,
Chris




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Chris KrookFri Mar-31-17 04:55 AM
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#9416, "RE: Chris' 1/250 Amati"
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Dear all,

Finally I'm making some progress on my model again.
No that I have started working on more details, I find that most of the stock parts of the Amati kit are sadly inadequate. Things like skylights, vents and crane bases are very roughly shaped and no PE-detailing bits are supplied for these parts at the 1:250 scale.

Luckily I have my trusty 3D-printer with an 0.25 mm nozzle that is perfectly suited to make parts like this. For the bulkheads and things like the staircase dome, the Minibrass parts are working like a treat.

All in all I'm very satisfied with the result so far. Even though this model is just about a foot longer than the 1:350 Minicraft, the increase of crispness of things like windows at this slightly larger scale is amazing.

Regards,
Chris










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Morten JensenFri Mar-31-17 11:00 PM
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#9417, "RE: Chris' 1/250 Amati"
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Outstanding work! Crisp and clean build! I am really looking forward to see how it ends up with all the fine detailing.

Regards,

- Morten

  

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#9418, "RE: Chris' 1/250 Amati"
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Looks great Chris. I have used a lot of the Minibrass etches as well on my 1/250 build. They make such a difference to the look of the model.

Regards, Ryan

  

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Chris KrookTue Apr-11-17 02:58 AM
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#9425, "RE: Chris' 1/250 Amati"
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Some more progress! :)







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